Controversial General Political Discussion

[Adam 🍎]

Ok, we have those around here. They suck and we get bled out with taxes. I'm for a minimum state for pratical reasons.

I'll gladly pay taxes if it means further improving the community I live in

I don't think it is humane or right for a person to pay for healthcare if they are sick, or if they wanna have education and make something of themselves. Person shouldn't be put in debt just to have a shot at fair life

Now, most right wingers I've met are for some reason against that, they all believe in - everyone for themselves. Which is idiotic, you don't grow sense of community and responsibility.

Reason why all billionaires and overall rich people follow people like Trump and Bolsonaro is because they dont tax the rich as much. Everyone wants their own cake and no one can fucking share. Which is why USA is going to shit despite it immense wealth

 

[Mathias]

Once again, Yugoslavia rejected Stalinism and Maoism, it had its own form of communism and focused relation with neutral countries. It even traded with the west and the east. And it still didn't work

Tito was a tyrannical ruler. Another chef in an era of chefs. He somehow managed to sit his big ass among the Non-Aligned Movement. But he's no different than the others.

Considering Capitalism advanced the world so much i think it works just fine atm

Links between technologies and capitalism ?

 

[Adam 🍎]

Tito was a tyrannical ruler. Another chef in an era of chefs. He somehow managed to sit his big ass among the Non-Aligned Movement. But he's no different than the others.

If Tito wasn't tyrannical as he was Yugoslavia would be much much much worse than it was under him. Lesser of two evils.

Links between technologies and capitalism ?

Capital and Investment

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

How does this thread always turn into C4N vs the world?! :risitavirus:

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Ok, we have those around here. They suck and we get bled out with taxes. I'm for a minimum state for pratical reasons.

We are bound to have more of that with the coming age of technological advancements. I am for free healthcare, but NHS is a poorly managed mess.
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Links between technologies and capitalism ?

Competitive market and consumer demands for better life, which includes running your games on better hardware.

 

[Cruxroux]

How does this thread always turn into C4N vs the world?! :risitavirus:

Even hitler had Followers , Logiko doesn't.
People ganging up on him here

 

[RebelliousSoma]

they all believe in - everyone for themselves

At some point that simply becomes impossible and not feasible they will have to accept free public services. However the world is better off when there is some form of competition left or something to drive enthusiasm for further progress, unless we desire to rely solely on AGI/ASI.

 

[NAMELESS]

I'll gladly pay taxes if it means further improving the community I live in

I don't think it is humane or right for a person to pay for healthcare if they are sick, or if they wanna have education and make something of themselves. Person shouldn't be put in debt just to have a shot at fair life

Now, most right wingers I've met are for some reason against that, they all believe in - everyone for themselves. Which is idiotic, you don't grow sense of community and responsibility.

Reason why all billionaires and overall rich people follow people like Trump and Bolsonaro is because they dont tax the rich as much. Everyone wants their own cake and no one can fucking share. Which is why USA is going to shit despite it immense wealth

There is no such thing as free xyz. It's all about tax money. As i said, i'm not against this, but the public services we are offered are shit and we are slaves to draconian laws and taxes. I would rather pay for my stuff and keep my freedom. Free education is a thing thnx to the internet, btw. Taxing the rich actually harms the poor. The rich always find a way to protect their money.
Free services is called charity. It should be done out of the good in people's heart. Most right wingers are against that because taxes actually make the overall living costs increase and govs are usually very bad at providing such services. Private services are usually>>>public ones.
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Tito was a tyrannical ruler. Another chef in an era of chefs. He somehow managed to sit his big ass among the Non-Aligned Movement. But he's no different than the others.




Links between technologies and capitalism ?

industrial revolutions,bruh?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Even hitler had Followers , Logiko doesn't.
People ganging up on him here

Can't you see what he's putting us through? Don't act like he's the victim.
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There is no such thing as free xyz. It's all about tax money. As i said, i'm not against this, but the public services we are offered are shit and we are slaves to draconian laws and taxes. I would rather pay for stuff and keep my freedom. Free education is a thing thnx to the internet, btw. Taxing the rich actually harm the poor. The rich always find a way to protect their money.
Free services is called charity. It should be done out of the good in people heart. Most rich wingers are against that because taxes actually make the overall living costs increase and govs are usually very bad at providing such services. Private services are usually>>>public ones.

How does a world work where robots and AI took up majority of the jobs though? Where does the capital for potential investment come from and how would you as a sole entrepreneur be able to compete versus monstrous monopolies?

 

[Natalija]

Tito was a tyrannical ruler. Another chef in an era of chefs. He somehow managed to sit his big ass among the Non-Aligned Movement. But he's no different than the others.

If Tito wasn't tyrannical as he was Yugoslavia would be much much much worse than it was under him. Lesser of two evils.

Would not call him tyrannical, he's one of the rare ones known as "benevolent dictator".

Well actually Russia got away from communism relatively well, because they sort of taxed the nations it controlled. Lots of resources shipped to Russia, everyone else suffered a worse fate.

What do you mean? Russia was utterly miserable for years and years after the USSR broke apart.

 

[Zemmi]

How does this thread always turn into C4N vs the world?! :risitavirus:

I just came to see what people were saying about Trump when he was shot and didn't plan to post, but remembered I hadn't been re-educated by @Logiko for a while, so stuck around a bit.

 

[Mathias]

If Tito wasn't tyrannical as he was Yugoslavia would be much much much worse than it was under him. Lesser of two evils.

You mean as it is now ? So much worse ?

Capital and Investment

Nice theory. But anyway it's complicated to counter-argue this when all communist regimes have chosen a strong leader and minimal freedom.

I'll try to use this famous argument : would you be a royalist until late 19th century because Robespierre was scary a century before ?

industrial revolutions,bruh?

Exactly, and I don't believe that industrial revolutions are linked to extravagant rich people existing (for instance)

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1815432557380734981

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

How does this thread always turn into C4N vs the world?! :risitavirus:

Even hitler had Followers , Logiko doesn't.
People ganging up on him here

C4N is lower than that guy with the funny mustache

 

[RebelliousSoma]

You mean as it is now ? So much worse ?

Blame amurica.

 

[NAMELESS]

You mean as it is now ? So much worse ?




Nice theory. But anyway it's complicated to counter-argue this when all communist regimes have chosen a strong leader and minimal freedom.

I'll try to use this famous argument : would you be a royalist until late 19th century because Robespierre was scary a century before ?



Exactly, and I don't believe that industrial revolutions are linked to extravagant rich people existing (for instance)

What? The rich guys were the ones that came up with the tech. Industrial revolution allowed for the mass production and distribution of goods and services, which is why we now have wealthy individuals like never before.

 

[Zemmi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1815432557380734981

Why you have to hurt my head?

I was already tired of the internet, internetting by all the conspiracy theories today about how Biden is actually dead already.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

C4N is lower than that guy with the funny mustache

Keep me out of that shit. If the blonde was half decent i'd pick her up and run away. Didn't your parents teach you : never share women and underwear!!

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1815475281744007267

 

[Mathias]

What? The rich guys were the ones that came up with the tech. Industrial revolution allowed for the mass production and distribution of goods and services, which is why we now have wealthy individuals like never before.

Good. Now, eat them.