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There's sadly people like that in all of them.
I remember people on Twitter talking about jumping Oda and killing him for including Yamato on that color spread with all the girls in bikinis and swim suits (their reasoning is that they believe Yamato is a man because she identifies as Oden, so including her in a spread full of women is weird)
 
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Those people don't understand that Yamato is genderfluid

Yamato is traumatized. That's what she is. She's not the conventional trans person. She was imprisoned, beat and starved by her father, so she coped by imagining she's her idol Oden, because Oden stood up to Kaido and scarred him. He's a hero in her eyes and she wants to imitate him, like a young kid wants to imitate Spiderman or Batman, but more.
Actual Trans people seem to identify as their gender purely because they identify as it. They sincerely believe that they are their new gender (and they are, ofc, my point isn't to deny their validity). A woman transitions and now identifies as a man, he is a man. A man transitions and identifies as a woman, he is now a woman. Yamato isn't like that because she only adopted this Oden stuff purely as a coping method, it's not something she just started to identify as on her own.
This probably sounds very transphobic, but I'm not at all trying to be transphobic. I think all trans people are valid, and I will call ftm people males and mtf people females. But I just don't believe Yamato is truly Trans, she just wants to be Oden because it helps her cope with how bad Kaido treated her. If she really was, then she'd likely have a problem with Luffy calling her "Yamao" and not Oden, for example.
Though I could be wrong. She could very well be a trans character. And in that cause, great. OP needs a few important diverse characters here and there, it can't only be Ivankov Inazuma Bon and Morley.
 
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Yamato is traumatized. That's what she is. She's not the conventional trans person. She was imprisoned, beat and starved by her father, so she coped by imagining she's her idol Oden, because Oden stood up to Kaido and scarred him. He's a hero in her eyes and she wants to imitate him, like a young kid wants to imitate Spiderman or Batman, but more.
Actual Trans people seem to identify as their gender purely because they identify as it. They sincerely believe that they are their new gender (and they are, ofc, my point isn't to deny their validity). A woman transitions and now identifies as a man, he is a man. A man transitions and identifies as a woman, he is now a woman. Yamato isn't like that because she only adopted this Oden stuff purely as a coping method, it's not something she just started to identify as on her own.
This probably sounds very transphobic, but I'm not at all trying to be transphobic. I think all trans people are valid, and I will call ftm people males and mtf people females. But I just don't believe Yamato is truly Trans, she just wants to be Oden because it helps her cope with how bad Kaido treated her. If she really was, then she'd likely have a problem with Luffy calling her "Yamao" and not Oden, for example.
Though I could be wrong. She could very well be a trans character. And in that cause, great. OP needs a few important diverse characters here and there, it can't only be Ivankov Inazuma Bon and Morley.
I thought for a long time that Yamato was Trans indeed. But the fact is that, she actually goes by both gender.

So while technically she is trans, I think the right term would be gender fluid. Its possible for them to identify to both gender. She would not be the only one, Iva san and Inazuma are both genderfluid characters. Oda was simply a little bit more subtle with Yamato it seems



 
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Yamato is traumatized. That's what she is. She's not the conventional trans person. She was imprisoned, beat and starved by her father, so she coped by imagining she's her idol Oden, because Oden stood up to Kaido and scarred him. He's a hero in her eyes and she wants to imitate him, like a young kid wants to imitate Spiderman or Batman, but more.
Actual Trans people seem to identify as their gender purely because they identify as it. They sincerely believe that they are their new gender (and they are, ofc, my point isn't to deny their validity). A woman transitions and now identifies as a man, he is a man. A man transitions and identifies as a woman, he is now a woman. Yamato isn't like that because she only adopted this Oden stuff purely as a coping method, it's not something she just started to identify as on her own.
This probably sounds very transphobic, but I'm not at all trying to be transphobic. I think all trans people are valid, and I will call ftm people males and mtf people females. But I just don't believe Yamato is truly Trans, she just wants to be Oden because it helps her cope with how bad Kaido treated her. If she really was, then she'd likely have a problem with Luffy calling her "Yamao" and not Oden, for example.
Though I could be wrong. She could very well be a trans character. And in that cause, great. OP needs a few important diverse characters here and there, it can't only be Ivankov Inazuma Bon and Morley.
I don't share your views on transexual people but regardless Yamato is certainly not "trans" as in how a real person would be trans.

She'd claim to be a fishman if Oden was a fishman. Hell, she's claiming to be a whole different existing person, Oden's gender is just a coincidence.

Please tell me this is about people disliking the Acolyte.
 
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I thought for a long time that Yamato was Trans indeed. But the fact is that, she actually goes by both gender.

So while technically she is trans, I think the right term would be gender fluid. Its possible for them to identify to both gender. She would not be the only one, Iva san and Inazuma are both genderfluid characters. Oda was simply a little bit more subtle with Yamato it seems



I suppose she could be gender fluid.
 
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I don't share your views on transexual people but regardless Yamato is certainly not "trans" as in how a real person would be trans.
A trans person is someone that breaks the barrier of gender. You can be trans and non binary, trans gender fluid, trans fem, trans masc..


Please tell me this is about people disliking the Acolyte.
Yes mostly.

While the Acolyte is not the greatest show of the year (its actually pretty boring) its really not the dump that people are talking about.

Also episode 8 got really unjustified reviews.
 
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A trans person is someone that breaks the barrier of gender. You can be trans and non binary, trans gender fluid, trans fem, trans masc..
If Oden was black, would Yamato be black? How would you call that, transrace?

She believes she's Kozuki Oden. Is she Kozuki Oden? Is she a samurai? Is she the son of Sukiyaki? Did she travel with Whitebeard and Roger? Did she find the One Piece? Is she a man?

She pretends all of those answers to be "yes", but the answer is no to all of them, it's not something to cherrypick, they all come from her believing to be Oden.

Yes mostly.

While the Acolyte is not the greatest show of the year (its actually pretty boring) its really not the dump that people are talking about.

Also episode 8 was got really unjustified review.
Is "boring" all what was wrong with it?
 

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Not sure tbh I don't pay that much attention to what people like and dislike
 
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If Oden was black, would Yamato be black? How would you call that, transrace?

She believes she's Kozuki Oden. Is she Kozuki Oden? Is she a samurai? Is she the son of Sukiyaki? Did she travel with Whitebeard and Roger? Did she find the One Piece? Is she a man?

She pretends all of those answers to be "yes", but the answer is no to all of them, it's not something to cherrypick, they all come from her believing to be Oden.
Yamato said it "I choosed to be a man". Therefore they are. Its simple as that. Oda clearly showed her genderfluidity. There is nothing to question really, its not a scoop.


Is "boring" all what was wrong with it?
Mostly yes.

The direction was not very good and the story a bit forgetable. But there were great ideas. For example, the questionning of Jedi's imperialism is quite a nice subject to takles. Especially when we know what happened to Anakin.
 
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Yamato said it "I choosed to be a man". Therefore they are. Its simple as that. Oda clearly showed her genderfluidity. There is nothing to question really, its not a scoop.
Haha.

Mostly yes.

The direction was not very good and the story a bit forgetable. But there were great ideas. For example, the questionning of Jedi's imperialism is quite a nice subject to takles. Especially when we know what happened to Anakin.
There certainly were some good ideas behind it. The jedi were portrayed as flawed already in the prequels and it's logical to delve on that if you're doing prequels (and even more so in Legends).

But ideas are nothing if not dealt properly. I can picture the most beautiful landscape on my mind, but when I try to paint it with my toddler drawing skills it won't be a great drawing.

The implementation is not salvageable in honest consciousness. It was very bad on many fronts, be it writing, plot or acting (with some notable exceptions of great actors doing their best, but it doesn't help that the main actress playing the two biggest roles wasn't one of them).


I'm not one to post reviews online so I didn't contribute to it's hate or "review bombing", and I won't try to stop anyone from enjoying it, but I perfectly understand why it was received the way it was. If I had to say something good about the series, the fight scene on episode 4 wasn't technically good but it's the most dynamic lightsaber fight scene since Episode 3 and lightsabers kill people again, so there's that going for the show.
 
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