Valhalla vs Leviathan

[MonsterKaido]

--Who do you think is stronger/end up being stronger?

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[Worst]

Well obviously Valhalla since Gustang himself said it's as strong as a FH as for Levi so far very useless and Baam already has other stuff that needs to evolve such as thryssas the Thorn etc Levi will just be another piece of the puzzle nothing more

 

[Shadowlord123]

Not too sure. Leviathan has a lot of gas:

- Baam thought it would be a sin to the world to unleash him from the Suspendium.
- Leviathan boasted about having possessed strength that towered above everyone, including the Ancients and even the Irregulars (though he got punished and sealed by Traum at the end).
- He one-shot the Odd-Eyed Cobra (BH Tier) while still being sealed away and as collateral damage.
- He gave Baam enough power to make Dumas (Regent Tier) go all-out, and even give him a bit of damage through that form. This is while still being technically sealed away. Ergo, a small fraction of his power (or should I say Traumerei's?).
- Traumerei gave up on trying to control it, while he could control Valhalla.

I can see a fully unsealed Leviathan ending up as stronger. Quite frankly, I don't think Valhalla will end up that close to FH level anyway. Traumerei should only be FH level when you take into consideration all of his abilities. Basically: Traumerei + all his countless Shinheuh (including Valhalla) ~ FH level. Among the countless Shinheuh, you need to take into account that they have infinite lives as long as Traum is alive + can be fused to further enhance their power. Valhalla on his own would only be a fraction of all that (a meaningful fraction most likely, but still a fraction).

 

[MonsterKaido]

Not too sure. Leviathan has a lot of gas:

- Baam thought it would be a sin to the world to unleash him from the Suspendium.
- Leviathan boasted about having possessed strength that towered above everyone, including the Ancients and even the Irregulars (though he got punished and sealed by Traum at the end).
- He one-shot the Odd-Eyed Cobra (BH Tier) while still being sealed away and as collateral damage.
- He gave Baam enough power to make Dumas (Regent Tier) go all-out, and even give him a bit of damage through that form. This is while still being technically sealed away. Ergo, a small fraction of his power (or should I say Traumerei's?).
- Traumerei gave up on trying to control it, while he could control Valhalla.

I can see a fully unsealed Leviathan ending up as stronger. Quite frankly, I don't think Valhalla will end up that close to FH level anyway. Traumerei should only be FH level when you take into consideration all of his abilities. Basically: Traumerei + all his countless Shinheuh (including Valhalla) ~ FH level. Among the countless Shinheuh, you need to take into account that they have infinite lives as long as Traum is alive + can be fused to further enhance their power. Valhalla on his own would only be a fraction of all that (a meaningful fraction most likely, but still a fraction).

Very well said.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

that was disappointing with how Leviathan was not enough and then black march came out to help, that definitely makes Leviathan for me much powerless compared to Valhalla, Bam was fighting a being FAR below shadow of Zahard, Valhalla was keeping up with a real FH (not to mention Traumiri already mutilated Dumas way too easy, when Valhalla was actually fighting Gustang)

 

[Cinera]

Not too sure. Leviathan has a lot of gas:

- Baam thought it would be a sin to the world to unleash him from the Suspendium.
- Leviathan boasted about having possessed strength that towered above everyone, including the Ancients and even the Irregulars (though he got punished and sealed by Traum at the end).
- He one-shot the Odd-Eyed Cobra (BH Tier) while still being sealed away and as collateral damage.
- He gave Baam enough power to make Dumas (Regent Tier) go all-out, and even give him a bit of damage through that form. This is while still being technically sealed away. Ergo, a small fraction of his power (or should I say Traumerei's?).
- Traumerei gave up on trying to control it, while he could control Valhalla.

I can see a fully unsealed Leviathan ending up as stronger. Quite frankly, I don't think Valhalla will end up that close to FH level anyway. Traumerei should only be FH level when you take into consideration all of his abilities. Basically: Traumerei + all his countless Shinheuh (including Valhalla) ~ FH level. Among the countless Shinheuh, you need to take into account that they have infinite lives as long as Traum is alive + can be fused to further enhance their power. Valhalla on his own would only be a fraction of all that (a meaningful fraction most likely, but still a fraction).

Counterpoint: Valhalla is a baddie and has better feats than Leviathan (for now anyway).

 

[MonsterKaido]

that was disappointing with how Leviathan was not enough and then black march came out to help, that definitely makes Leviathan for me much powerless compared to Valhalla, Bam was fighting a being FAR below shadow of Zahard, Valhalla was keeping up with a real FH (not to mention Traumiri already mutilated Dumas way too easy, when Valhalla was actually fighting Gustang)

Baam was only using a small fraction of leviathan's power. 10% or so imo.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Baam was only using a small fraction of leviathan's power. 10% or so imo.

but Bam showed that he could handle more power as he was able to take on BlackMarch power too....that means Bam was able, Leviathan wasn't ( or at least Leviathan was giving it all, its just the output wasn't as strong as intended cause Bam isn't used to him yet...I don't think there was an indication that Leviathan was using a small fraction of his power, he said himself that he'll help Bam )

 

[Shadowlord123]

but Bam showed that he could handle more power as he was able to take on BlackMarch power too....that means Bam was able, Leviathan wasn't ( or at least Leviathan was giving it all, its just the output wasn't as strong as intended cause Bam isn't used to him yet...I don't think there was an indication that Leviathan was using a small fraction of his power, he said himself that he'll help Bam )

Baam absorbed a sealed Leviathan. Since there's no indication the seal's been broken, it's safe to assume that Leviathan is only lending him as much power as he can within those limitations (likely quite a small fraction).

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Baam absorbed a sealed Leviathan. Since there's no indication the seal's been broken, it's safe to assume that Leviathan is only lending him as much power as he can within those limitations (likely quite a small fraction).

his seal was broken, that's how he destroyed the Cobra

 

[DonWick]

Time to go catch back up to Tower of God

 

[Shadowlord123]

his seal was broken, that's how he destroyed the Cobra

No. Leviathan tried to break the seal but was pushed inside it again by Rak. That's when he made the attack that blew up the Suspendium alongside the Cobra. Baam absorbed it at that point. When he's outside the Suspendium, Baam can only feel Levi's power leaking inside him, which means the beast is still sealed.

There's never any implication the seal was broken.

 

[Flower]

Levi. I can‘t wait for Baam to unleash its full power.