[FNZ] Role Madness ATP & WTA World Tour Tennis Mafia - Game Thread

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@Flower @Fujishiro
For what it's worth, I think you both had merits to your arguments, and while sweeps are nice, I don't think you should let the lack of one come between what was a really strong town performance. Scum were quickly PoE'd out after their N0 kill, and that's credit to Flower, who also killed two scum. Eliminating Red Night that DP made sense, because if you gamble outside of him and you're wrong, it can throw an otherwise great position into a really tricky one, because then if Red Night is town too, you suddenly only have 1 or 2 lynches left to work with. So mechanically it was a sound play, to cover the bases. From Fuji's perspective, I think once he was found town, perhaps some more attention could have been paid to his perspective - if not fir that specific Day Phase, to make sure everyone is involved you don't want them to feel like they've been dismissed. Sometimes, it's how you phrase things just as much as what you're saying. Good game overall to both, would rather you don't fight when this was a pretty dominant performance from your team.
I mean, if somebody looks so horrible mechanically you can just never take this to endgame. I had to take the hit myself in Hime's game prev year when I was checked Guilty despite the fact I was onto the scum Godfather and most of my reads were basically ignored after I flipped (like the Town read on Magic). It's a necessary evil you have to do in order to clear up the PoE (which was only 2 people at the time).
 
I would agree. Not just for the lynch, but for having a good PoE early on, and crucially, sticking to it and making sure it got resolved.
The Polar Bear lynch led to AM being shot because Polar Bear was avoiding talking about him like the plague. We both noticed it. So Polars lynch led to a chain of events of most players making themselves easy to read town through their vote and then AM.

Those two things shrunk down the PoE enough for us alongside good action usage from town to make it down to like 2-3 players for us to begin with day 2.

It was a good POE to work with and I believe its all thanks to that one action from her @Flower
 
I mean, if somebody looks so horrible mechanically you can just never take this to endgame. I had to take the hit myself in Hime's game prev year when I was checked Guilty despite the fact I was onto the scum Godfather and most of my reads were basically ignored after I flipped (like the Town read on Magic). It's a necessary evil you have to do in order to clear up the PoE (which was only 2 people at the time).
Why would there be a need to make it to endgame when the PoE is two people for you? Like you make no sense.

Lynching Watson that phase even if wrong wouldnt have been the end of the world just like lynching Red Night wasnt @Ratchet

Im susprised you dont see my issue here.
 
Fuji I trust you reads.

Also disregards them.
This is my issue.

Its been an issue for last game too @Ratchet when I spent the entire game defending townies from being mislynched by Ultra and his lemming horde.

Sure he was scum but the town following him blindly wasnt.

Im just not a fan of people saying Im a good player yet literally disregarding my vetos and reads.
 
Why would there be a need to make it to endgame when the PoE is two people for you? Like you make no sense.

Lynching Watson that phase even if wrong wouldnt have been the end of the world just like lynching Red Night wasnt @Ratchet

Im susprised you dont see my issue here.
Because I assumed it was my last day phase alive and I couldn't trust you to not take him to endgame. You have to see my PoV here. Mechanically everything pointed towards Red Night. I could have always gotten killed by a Strongman. Ik I could trust you to off Watson even if my kill failed. I couldn't trust you to kill Nibel. Get it now?
 
You are way too stubborn, Fuji. And mech was also against you. What if F3 is Watson, you and Nibel? Watson can convince Nibel to lynch you because you were blocked. I have to make sure to cover all bases in this scenario.
 
Because I assumed it was my last day phase alive and I couldn't trust you to not take him to endgame
I can revise my reads If Im wrong.

You have to see my PoV here. Mechanically everything pointed towards Red Night
Not true, one thing made sense and it was your 500 IQ play that I already told you made no sense and pointed the holes in it. Namely if it was planned then why did Red Night claim vanilla so he cant even explain how he survived the kill?

And it seems like the whole thing was a fuck up from their part so it was hard for us to understand. Hence why I always rely on reads when it comes to these moments over mech. Always.

I could have always gotten killed by a Strongman. Ik I could trust you to off Watson even if my kill failed. I couldn't trust you to kill Nibel. Get it now?
Do you ever have those games when youre sure someone is town no matter what? This was one of them with Red Night. You might not have trusted me to off him because from your PoV he could be scum but you shouldve trusted my read of him.
Also AM flipped Odd Night Hitman, no way the third scum wouldve had a strongman modifier.

I dont know, maybe Im asking for too much.

Oh well gg.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
This is my issue.

Its been an issue for last game too @Ratchet when I spent the entire game defending townies from being mislynched by Ultra and his lemming horde.

Sure he was scum but the town following him blindly wasnt.

Im just not a fan of people saying Im a good player yet literally disregarding my vetos and reads.
I get it. I've been there, repeatedly, on OLF. It's not fun.
 
You are way too stubborn, Fuji. And mech was also against you. What if F3 is Watson, you and Nibel? Watson can convince Nibel to lynch you because you were blocked. I have to make sure to cover all bases in this scenario.
We were way ahead for one, Watson was going to be lynched last phase, die tonight or be lynched today. We would never make it to Final 3.

Also if you think Watson can convince Red Night to lynch me when I saved him from a lynch you dont know how people think lol.

I have never been mislynched in the past few years and thats for a reason.

You always come back to mech, but cant think further. Why would I try to lill Red Night? Put yourself in scums shoes Flower, I promise you it will help you.
 
We were way ahead for one, Watson was going to be lynched last phase, die tonight or be lynched today. We would never make it to Final 3.

Also if you think Watson can convince Red Night to lynch me when I saved him from a lynch you dont know how people think lol.

I have never been mislynched in the past few years and thats for a reason.

You always come back to mech, but cant think further. Why would I try to lill Red Night? Put yourself in scums shoes Flower, I promise you it will help you.
Yeah, I'm done talking to you.

I WON US THE GAME.

Stop talking to me, it's infuriating.
 
Okay, but then you look sus. Then people would push you. Then Watson looks good for defending both you and Nibel.

We can go on like this. I made the from my PoV correct play. You don't have to understand, but it did win us the game.
I believe Im good enough of a player to defend myself from a lynch. Flower I havent been mislynched in years lol.

I still think you shouldve valued my reads more.

Who would even push me lol, Saber, Indigo,etc all read me town.

Watson was defending me like I was her puppy. Her doing a 180 is sus as hell.
 

Mashiro Blue

𝓦𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝓾𝓹𝓸𝓷 𝓪 𝓼𝓱𝓸𝓸𝓽𝓲𝓷𝓰 𝓼𝓽𝓪𝓻 ✰
I get it. I've been there, repeatedly, on OLF. It's not fun.
Btw waifubro I'm on Railgun T in the Dream Ranker arc and it might be my favourite season so far.

After dwelling in the desert trying to see who my favourite girl there was I think I can confidently say it's Shokuhou I think.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Btw waifubro I'm on Railgun T in the Dream Ranker arc and it might be my favourite season so far.

After dwelling in the desert trying to see who my favourite girl there was I think I can confidently say it's Shokuhou I think.
I knew you'd like her lol. She's one of my favourites too. When you get to Index 3, let me know, I have a reddit thread somewhere that offers a lot of supplementary explanation for things that get rushed over.
 
If I was too go off script, AM seems like a good starting point
@Saber what do you think of Alwaysmind?
he's not playing the same way as he did in the last 2 games when he was townie, imo
but at the same time, he seems more helpful
I saw that as well

Vote Alwaysmind
The "more" helpful i think is a distinct difference
any chances he just decided to step up his game as town?
I would assume that starts with more posts than 13. Could be wrong, but I think his scum game tends to have that helpfulness versus town games which are just existing
that's interesting
i would rather lynch him and let all the ICs or pseudo-ICs or whatever claims try to prove themselves like they said they would
vote lynch alwaysmind
I dont think AM being more helpful is very AI tbh, because Ive seen him do it as town as well although rarely.

I will admit its a bit jarring seeing him so eagerly questioning Indigo like that this early in the game lol.
We had AM cooked D1. Good game and reads @Saber @Fujishiro

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