Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1124 Spoilers Discussion

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Hmm but remember, Kuzan always stood on business. Remember he already put his best friend Saul down back in Ohara.

Though that incident did change him forever, he just trudged along.

Still can't get over how Oda undid this death. Was such a goated moment, now ruined.
Sure but that's as much as on the nose parallel we can get how they differ.

Kizaru killed the actual closest person he was there, also marine/wg associated, with Vegapunk. Kuzan did not with Saul (which is very bad writing but it is what it is)

The people he got the order to directly kill was Bonney (and Kuma) is a stand-in for Robin (and Bonney being a little girl that Kizaru knew about, another parallel) he went for it 3 times, 2 times sanji interfered, one time Luffy. Clearly with a wavering heart but with killing intent. Kuzan let her get away.


You bring up a good point tho as in if and how much this gonna change Kizaru, especially in comparison to Kuzan
 
Hmm but remember, Kuzan always stood on business. Remember he already put his best friend Saul down back in Ohara.

Though that incident did change him forever, he just trudged along.

Still can't get over how Oda undid this death. Was such a goated moment, now ruined.
I remember being a lurker at forums like Roger's Base and Arlong Park when EL was happening, and so many people thought Kuzan just non-lethally froze Saul.

Since it was so long ago, everyone had to concede that he died. And now Oda trolled them all over again.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Sure but that's as much as on the nose parallel we can get how they differ.

Kizaru killed the actual closest person he was there, also marine/wg associated, with Vegapunk. Kuzan did not with Saul (which is very bad writing but it is what it is)

The people he got the order to directly kill was Bonney (and Kuma) is a stand-in for Robin (and Bonney being a little girl that Kizaru knew about, another parallel) he went for it 3 times, 2 times sanji interfered, one time Luffy. Clearly with a wavering heart but with killing intent. Kuzan let her get away.


You bring up a good point tho as in if and how much this gonna change Kizaru, especially in comparison to Kuzan
I remember being a lurker at forums like Roger's Base and Arlong Park when EL was happening, and so many people thought Kuzan just non-lethally froze Saul.

Since it was so long ago, everyone had to concede that he died. And now Oda trolled them all over again.
Kuzan had no way of knowing Saul survives, he froze him to the bone, the flames from cannon fire just happened to burn/thaw him out, could have easily been broken into pieces.
 
Kuzan had no way of knowing Saul survives, he froze him to the bone, the flames from cannon fire just happened to burn/thaw him out, could have easily been broken into pieces.
Yeah? Gonna bet your account we will not get a scene in Elbaf where Saul says Kuzan let him get away?:usoprice:
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Yeah? Gonna bet your account we will not get a scene in Elbaf where Saul says Kuzan let him get away?:usoprice:
In what sense? He can say Aokiji "let him live", since technically he let fate decide if he was gonna die for sure, but normally there was no one to help Saul out, on an island which was being bombarded....he just got extremely lucky. And didn't he suffer from major burns too? He probably wishes he was dead with all that pain.

If Oda wasn't a cuck we would be getting a Makoto Shishio level revenge from Saul.
 
In what sense? He can say Aokiji "let him live", since technically he let fate decide if he was gonna die for sure, but normally there was no one to help Saul out, on an island which was being bombarded....he just got extremely lucky. And didn't he suffer from major burns too? He probably wishes he was dead with all that pain.

If Oda wasn't a cuck we would be getting a Makoto Shishio level revenge from Saul.
I'm 100% convinced that oda will retcon it as a total 100% intended outcome. Saul will be even more grateful. Watch :josad:
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
In what sense? He can say Aokiji "let him live", since technically he let fate decide if he was gonna die for sure, but normally there was no one to help Saul out, on an island which was being bombarded....he just got extremely lucky. And didn't he suffer from major burns too? He probably wishes he was dead with all that pain.

If Oda wasn't a cuck we would be getting a Makoto Shishio level revenge from Saul.
With how easy Kuzan beat Saul, it wouldn't have been much of a revenge.

Also, "cuck" is short for someone whose spouse cheats on them. "Wimp" might be more fitting for your statement.
 
To summarize.
Kizaru's goal was to kill Vega without damaging the equipment and the mother flame.
Luffy's goal was to save Vega and get him off the island safely.
Vega is dead, nerfed by contradictions due to the fact that he has to kill his best friend and not using his strongest techniques so as not to damage the mother flame, Kizaru completed the task, despite the fact that Luffy and Sanji stood against him ready to protect Vega, who had no restrictions like the admiral :pepecorn:
 
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