General & Others The admirals are not Sakazuki’s all star equivalent

#24
There are not many main villains to go around each arc. They are reserved for the main character. Which is not to anyones surprise.
When the SN fought Kaido and BM Zoro did the heavy lifting for the group.

Oda tells you that Nika~Ryuma and that Luffy = new Nika and Zoro = new Ryuma? But somehow new Nika neg diffs new Ryuma.
Let me guess, Shanks also beats Mihawk comfortably, hm?
 
#25
There are not many main villains to go around each arc. They are reserved for the main character. Which is not to anyones surprise.
When the SN fought Kaido and BM Zoro did the heavy lifting for the group.

Oda tells you that Nika~Ryuma and that Luffy = new Nika and Zoro = new Ryuma? But somehow new Nika neg diffs new Ryuma.
Let me guess, Shanks also beats Mihawk comfortably, hm?
You’re hyping up a character that hasn’t shown anything to be put over mihawk let alone comparable to the most hyped character in the verse. A character with comparable physical strength to pre timeskip zoro

Zoro surpassing ryuma doesn’t change the fact he’s going to fight shiryu while luffy fights Blackbeard

Never mind Sanji fighting an admiral while Luffy also fights one lol
 
#30
made a similar point in my this thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-strength-to-sanji-than-he-is-to-luffy.34460/

sanji and zoro's opponents are a lot closer in strength with a significant margin to luffy's
unless oda drastically changes the way he has portrayed the admirals ,
its not happening.
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Again ryuma hasn’t shown anything to be put above mihawk even
wdym
he factually is a major reason why a country was isolated from the world government.
what has mihawk done with his tile.
 
#33
whats funny ......






crocodile , mr1 , mr2
blackbeard , shiryu and the 3rd strongest commander


its a well defined pattern
- Kaku didn't have his Devil fruit.
- King was critically injured Unlike Queen
- Mr1 was unbeatable without Haki , Even Luffy would have lost to him.
- Blackbeard and Shiryu were near Equal at Impel down/ Marineford. Now he has a new fruit and possibly new power ups.

If you look at it , Sanji won't be even able to push Zoro opponents past mid diff.

This is nothing more than agenda pushed by Sanji fans.
 
#34
made a similar point in my this thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-strength-to-sanji-than-he-is-to-luffy.34460/

sanji and zoro's opponents are a lot closer in strength with a significant margin to luffy's
unless oda drastically changes the way he has portrayed the admirals ,
its not happening.
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wdym
he factually is a major reason why a country was isolated from the world government.
what has mihawk done with his tile.
Mihawk blade was and physically should be superior

Also we don’t know the full context of ryuma
The dragon he killed could have been fodder like the ph one zoro killed. It could have been a celestial dragon instead
We know the boarder walls were up so that automatically makes it a pain in the ass for people to try and go to wano

While yeah he was a big deal for his time we don’t actually know what he did or who he faced. Like the wg didn’t even send an admiral to mihawk. For all we know they just sent fodder till they gave up

All that to say I think ryuma needs to show more to be put over mihawk
 
#35
Something interesting to talk about here too is the future of the marines, Coby, Smoker, and Helmeppo,

I think Coby will be equal to Luffy, Smoker will be somewhat stronger than an emperor, and Helmeppo would be a bit weaker than Smoker, but they will all be stronger than the current admirals, including Akainu, and that's true for Law and Kidd too,

Law and Kidd already have bounties equal to those of the admirals, they will be strong enough that a current admiral or Akainu do not threaten them,
 
#36
Mihawk blade was and physically should be superior

Also we don’t know the full context of ryuma
The dragon he killed could have been fodder like the ph one zoro killed. It could have been a celestial dragon instead
We know the boarder walls were up so that automatically makes it a pain in the ass for people to try and go to wano

While yeah he was a big deal for his time we don’t actually know what he did or who he faced. Like the wg didn’t even send an admiral to mihawk. For all we know they just sent fodder till they gave up

All that to say I think ryuma needs to show more to be put over mihawk
are we scaling blades or scaling characters and their accomplishments
we have as much context as we need for a character that died possibly centuries ago
he is generally known as the strongest person to come out of wano, that plays into the reputation of what current wano is ,

I think you are making the assumption that they had bums in that timeline and that was enough but I would argue the world government has been around for 800 years with very capable characters and they steer clear of that place . Not saying its to his credit alone but that says something. Do we make the assumption joyboy was up against bums in his timeline?


He doesnt need to show anything to be put over mihawk. Mihawk needs to actually do something that affects more than just what he is as an individual . He is defined by his title, he has had zero impact on anything else in the world at large.
 
#37
Have you guys ever thought about the possibility of Luffy reaching his ceilling in strength so his subbordinates (specially the Wings) get to have more significant growth in strength throughout the arcs, making the gap between them and Luffy, smaller?
:quest:

I think this is where we are leading to
I don't think there is a ceiling, haki is like ki in dragon ball,
 
#38
- Kaku didn't have his Devil fruit.
- King was critically injured Unlike Queen
- Mr1 was unbeatable without Haki , Even Luffy would have lost to him.
- Blackbeard and Shiryu were near Equal at Impel down/ Marineford. Now he has a new fruit and possibly new power ups.

If you look at it , Sanji won't be even able to push Zoro opponents past mid diff.

This is nothing more than agenda pushed by Sanji fans.
You are making excuses
queen is closer in strength to king than king is to kaido
mr 2 is closer to mr1 than mr 1 is to crocodile
shiryu will be closer to bb's commanders than he is to BB who prob surpasses whitebeard
 
#40
You are making excuses
queen is closer in strength to king than king is to kaido
mr 2 is closer to mr1 than mr 1 is to crocodile
shiryu will be closer to bb's commanders than he is to BB who prob surpasses whitebeard
I'm not.
I'm not saying No.2's are stronger than No.1 , but there's always one or two element no.2 are better than number 1 is in.
Also Luffy fights are barely fair to begin with , Asspulls + Luffy runsaway mid fight.

- Mr.2 is closer to Crocodile than mr.3 is to mr.2.
Shiryu will be Closer to BB than rest of the crew. I'm ready to bet on it.

King was better in Defense and Durablity than Kaidou.
Kaidou was exhausted , Fought multiple people and already 3 rounds until asspulls came up.
Zoro beat someone who was superior than kaidou in defense and Endurance within 5-10 minutes. And it was a perfect KO.
 
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