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Ah yeah thats a great point actually! Keep him a true underdog, a self made man with no cheat codes/handouts/epic legacies etc. He makes a great parallel to Franky in that regard too except if Queen actually is Frankys father now too sigh lol.
I really like that perspective, Kidd is still what Luffy was like pre Nika too, you've really put some strong considerations for me here, damn. I love characters like for that reason, the struggling underdog is one of my go to favourites and one of the reasons I completely lost interest in MHA with how much Horikoshi BUTCHERED that and ultimately doubled down on it by the end too. Funnily enough, Bakugo is the Kidd of MHA and still is by the end too and was a BakuGoat in the end absolutely too. Actual amazing character redemption and growth.
That makes sense, the bounty would have pissed them off to think of it and I have seen Zoro fans see him as a threat somehow, doesnt help Oda really pushed Zoro vs Killer too lol. A handicapped Killer at that.
Yeah thats true about Law, thats a great point. Plus as a swordsman, Law relies on his DF, hes more DF user than swordsman generally whereas Zoro will always and should be DF less ofc.
Yeah, it would feel very OOC if Law ever fought Luffy seriously, Oda making him antagonistic in early Punk Hazard was so fucking weird for me, it felt very OOC for me. Law only mention wanting to become pirate king when he first appeared in Sabaody but he never mentioned it again, I think it was his crew rather than him too?
Yeah absolutely, I think Shanks and Elbaf will be the reason Kidd and Luffy fight ultimately, especially Shanks ofc but also the giants potentially. Imagine if Luffy gets the credit for taking down Big Mom unsurprisingly? Thats gonna piss Kidd off even more IMMENSELY ofc!
Kidd would want to stop Luffy getting the One Piece and becoming Pirate King too ofc unless he gives up and sees Luffy as superior/more worthy which I would hate and not be surprised if it happened but it should never happen given who he is but he still should help Luffy as a means to an end, a greater enemy than you needs to be stopped by us working together type situation like teaming up vs Blackbeard, The WG/Imu or w/e.
Yeah I have seen that now you mention it, it did make me pretty fed up with Zoro fans even though I'm quite a big Zoro glazer myself and I even vouched for ZKK too. Thats so fucking true, thats an excellent question/point, damn! Imagine the TOXICITY if Zoro took down a YONKO too!? GODAMN!
Kidd Haters/Downplayers really cannot accept that he took down a Yonko with Law and Law could never have done it solo nor Kidd ofc, they had to WORK TOGETHER and equally took her down whether anybody likes it or not, he contributed way more than they realise.
LMFAO, thats my biggest hype for Elbaf man, ive been hyped for decades for Elbaf for various reasons, not as much as Wano but still! But now with Kidd, I'm desperate for Elbaf to be his return, his glorious comeback, his REVENGE and thus resurrection, Metal Gear Rising, Kidds Revengeance lmao.
God, Kidd using Haki on panel finally, especially CoC would be PEAK. I never considered him getting a CoC clash with Luffy instead of Big Mom or Shanks but that would be AMAZING and it could be like Bullet vs Luffy in Stampede too then, which Kidd funnily was part of too and displayed EQUALLY to Luffy in it for a bit at least AND Bullet has a similar fruit to Kidd too ofc and hes an extremely stubborn, relentless motherfucker and brute too ofc!
You raised some really great points for Kidd and myself here man, thank you for this, this was a MUCH needed read for me!
I really like that perspective, Kidd is still what Luffy was like pre Nika too, you've really put some strong considerations for me here, damn. I love characters like for that reason, the struggling underdog is one of my go to favourites and one of the reasons I completely lost interest in MHA with how much Horikoshi BUTCHERED that and ultimately doubled down on it by the end too. Funnily enough, Bakugo is the Kidd of MHA and still is by the end too and was a BakuGoat in the end absolutely too. Actual amazing character redemption and growth.
That makes sense, the bounty would have pissed them off to think of it and I have seen Zoro fans see him as a threat somehow, doesnt help Oda really pushed Zoro vs Killer too lol. A handicapped Killer at that.
Yeah thats true about Law, thats a great point. Plus as a swordsman, Law relies on his DF, hes more DF user than swordsman generally whereas Zoro will always and should be DF less ofc.
Yeah, it would feel very OOC if Law ever fought Luffy seriously, Oda making him antagonistic in early Punk Hazard was so fucking weird for me, it felt very OOC for me. Law only mention wanting to become pirate king when he first appeared in Sabaody but he never mentioned it again, I think it was his crew rather than him too?
Yeah absolutely, I think Shanks and Elbaf will be the reason Kidd and Luffy fight ultimately, especially Shanks ofc but also the giants potentially. Imagine if Luffy gets the credit for taking down Big Mom unsurprisingly? Thats gonna piss Kidd off even more IMMENSELY ofc!
Kidd would want to stop Luffy getting the One Piece and becoming Pirate King too ofc unless he gives up and sees Luffy as superior/more worthy which I would hate and not be surprised if it happened but it should never happen given who he is but he still should help Luffy as a means to an end, a greater enemy than you needs to be stopped by us working together type situation like teaming up vs Blackbeard, The WG/Imu or w/e.
Yeah I have seen that now you mention it, it did make me pretty fed up with Zoro fans even though I'm quite a big Zoro glazer myself and I even vouched for ZKK too. Thats so fucking true, thats an excellent question/point, damn! Imagine the TOXICITY if Zoro took down a YONKO too!? GODAMN!
Kidd Haters/Downplayers really cannot accept that he took down a Yonko with Law and Law could never have done it solo nor Kidd ofc, they had to WORK TOGETHER and equally took her down whether anybody likes it or not, he contributed way more than they realise.
LMFAO, thats my biggest hype for Elbaf man, ive been hyped for decades for Elbaf for various reasons, not as much as Wano but still! But now with Kidd, I'm desperate for Elbaf to be his return, his glorious comeback, his REVENGE and thus resurrection, Metal Gear Rising, Kidds Revengeance lmao.
God, Kidd using Haki on panel finally, especially CoC would be PEAK. I never considered him getting a CoC clash with Luffy instead of Big Mom or Shanks but that would be AMAZING and it could be like Bullet vs Luffy in Stampede too then, which Kidd funnily was part of too and displayed EQUALLY to Luffy in it for a bit at least AND Bullet has a similar fruit to Kidd too ofc and hes an extremely stubborn, relentless motherfucker and brute too ofc!
You raised some really great points for Kidd and myself here man, thank you for this, this was a MUCH needed read for me!
Ah yeah thats a great point actually! Keep him a true underdog, a self made man with no cheat codes/handouts/epic legacies etc. He makes a great parallel to Franky in that regard too except if Queen actually is Frankys father now too sigh lol.
I really like that perspective, Kidd is still what Luffy was like pre Nika too, you've really put some strong considerations for me here, damn. I love characters like for that reason, the struggling underdog is one of my go to favourites and one of the reasons I completely lost interest in MHA with how much Horikoshi BUTCHERED that and ultimately doubled down on it by the end too. Funnily enough, Bakugo is the Kidd of MHA and still is by the end too and was a BakuGoat in the end absolutely too. Actual amazing character redemption and growth.
That makes sense, the bounty would have pissed them off to think of it and I have seen Zoro fans see him as a threat somehow, doesnt help Oda really pushed Zoro vs Killer too lol. A handicapped Killer at that.
Yeah thats true about Law, thats a great point. Plus as a swordsman, Law relies on his DF, hes more DF user than swordsman generally whereas Zoro will always and should be DF less ofc.
Yeah, it would feel very OOC if Law ever fought Luffy seriously, Oda making him antagonistic in early Punk Hazard was so fucking weird for me, it felt very OOC for me. Law only mention wanting to become pirate king when he first appeared in Sabaody but he never mentioned it again, I think it was his crew rather than him too?
Yeah absolutely, I think Shanks and Elbaf will be the reason Kidd and Luffy fight ultimately, especially Shanks ofc but also the giants potentially. Imagine if Luffy gets the credit for taking down Big Mom unsurprisingly? Thats gonna piss Kidd off even more IMMENSELY ofc!
Kidd would want to stop Luffy getting the One Piece and becoming Pirate King too ofc unless he gives up and sees Luffy as superior/more worthy which I would hate and not be surprised if it happened but it should never happen given who he is but he still should help Luffy as a means to an end, a greater enemy than you needs to be stopped by us working together type situation like teaming up vs Blackbeard, The WG/Imu or w/e.
Yeah I have seen that now you mention it, it did make me pretty fed up with Zoro fans even though I'm quite a big Zoro glazer myself and I even vouched for ZKK too. Thats so fucking true, thats an excellent question/point, damn! Imagine the TOXICITY if Zoro took down a YONKO too!? GODAMN!
Kidd Haters/Downplayers really cannot accept that he took down a Yonko with Law and Law could never have done it solo nor Kidd ofc, they had to WORK TOGETHER and equally took her down whether anybody likes it or not, he contributed way more than they realise.
LMFAO, thats my biggest hype for Elbaf man, ive been hyped for decades for Elbaf for various reasons, not as much as Wano but still! But now with Kidd, I'm desperate for Elbaf to be his return, his glorious comeback, his REVENGE and thus resurrection, Metal Gear Rising, Kidds Revengeance lmao.
God, Kidd using Haki on panel finally, especially CoC would be PEAK. I never considered him getting a CoC clash with Luffy instead of Big Mom or Shanks but that would be AMAZING and it could be like Bullet vs Luffy in Stampede too then, which Kidd funnily was part of too and displayed EQUALLY to Luffy in it for a bit at least AND Bullet has a similar fruit to Kidd too ofc and hes an extremely stubborn, relentless motherfucker and brute too ofc!
You raised some really great points for Kidd and myself here man, thank you for this, this was a MUCH needed read for me!
I really like that perspective, Kidd is still what Luffy was like pre Nika too, you've really put some strong considerations for me here, damn. I love characters like for that reason, the struggling underdog is one of my go to favourites and one of the reasons I completely lost interest in MHA with how much Horikoshi BUTCHERED that and ultimately doubled down on it by the end too. Funnily enough, Bakugo is the Kidd of MHA and still is by the end too and was a BakuGoat in the end absolutely too. Actual amazing character redemption and growth.
That makes sense, the bounty would have pissed them off to think of it and I have seen Zoro fans see him as a threat somehow, doesnt help Oda really pushed Zoro vs Killer too lol. A handicapped Killer at that.
Yeah thats true about Law, thats a great point. Plus as a swordsman, Law relies on his DF, hes more DF user than swordsman generally whereas Zoro will always and should be DF less ofc.
Yeah, it would feel very OOC if Law ever fought Luffy seriously, Oda making him antagonistic in early Punk Hazard was so fucking weird for me, it felt very OOC for me. Law only mention wanting to become pirate king when he first appeared in Sabaody but he never mentioned it again, I think it was his crew rather than him too?
Yeah absolutely, I think Shanks and Elbaf will be the reason Kidd and Luffy fight ultimately, especially Shanks ofc but also the giants potentially. Imagine if Luffy gets the credit for taking down Big Mom unsurprisingly? Thats gonna piss Kidd off even more IMMENSELY ofc!
Kidd would want to stop Luffy getting the One Piece and becoming Pirate King too ofc unless he gives up and sees Luffy as superior/more worthy which I would hate and not be surprised if it happened but it should never happen given who he is but he still should help Luffy as a means to an end, a greater enemy than you needs to be stopped by us working together type situation like teaming up vs Blackbeard, The WG/Imu or w/e.
Yeah I have seen that now you mention it, it did make me pretty fed up with Zoro fans even though I'm quite a big Zoro glazer myself and I even vouched for ZKK too. Thats so fucking true, thats an excellent question/point, damn! Imagine the TOXICITY if Zoro took down a YONKO too!? GODAMN!
Kidd Haters/Downplayers really cannot accept that he took down a Yonko with Law and Law could never have done it solo nor Kidd ofc, they had to WORK TOGETHER and equally took her down whether anybody likes it or not, he contributed way more than they realise.
LMFAO, thats my biggest hype for Elbaf man, ive been hyped for decades for Elbaf for various reasons, not as much as Wano but still! But now with Kidd, I'm desperate for Elbaf to be his return, his glorious comeback, his REVENGE and thus resurrection, Metal Gear Rising, Kidds Revengeance lmao.
God, Kidd using Haki on panel finally, especially CoC would be PEAK. I never considered him getting a CoC clash with Luffy instead of Big Mom or Shanks but that would be AMAZING and it could be like Bullet vs Luffy in Stampede too then, which Kidd funnily was part of too and displayed EQUALLY to Luffy in it for a bit at least AND Bullet has a similar fruit to Kidd too ofc and hes an extremely stubborn, relentless motherfucker and brute too ofc!
You raised some really great points for Kidd and myself here man, thank you for this, this was a MUCH needed read for me!
Now you're talking, MUCH BETTER! I forgive you now for this PEAK fiction! Punk Divination sounds pretty awesome! Ive been thinking about divination lately, weirdly enough.
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Ah, funny you mention Bakugo. Hes my fav character in MHA as well lol.
Yea personally I'm not even sure I really consider him a swordsman. I mean technically he does a use a sword when fighting, but he fights more like a caster than an actual swordsman like Zoro. Regardless, not gunna get into that discussion now lol.
Oh interesting, honestly don't recall this. Gunna go back and read some of these older chapters lol.
This would be crazy for sure. Hes already mad Luffy is a yonko lol, this would probably result in a fight tbh.
Agreed
A Eustass Kidd comeback at Elbaf, would honestly be one of the best feelings in the world. Especially considering how much the character is hated. Even just seeing a panel of his return, would make my week lol.
Absolute peak^
Yea personally I'm not even sure I really consider him a swordsman. I mean technically he does a use a sword when fighting, but he fights more like a caster than an actual swordsman like Zoro. Regardless, not gunna get into that discussion now lol.
Oh interesting, honestly don't recall this. Gunna go back and read some of these older chapters lol.
This would be crazy for sure. Hes already mad Luffy is a yonko lol, this would probably result in a fight tbh.
Agreed
A Eustass Kidd comeback at Elbaf, would honestly be one of the best feelings in the world. Especially considering how much the character is hated. Even just seeing a panel of his return, would make my week lol.
Absolute peak^
Damn I didnt see this part! Right?! We could have gotten his backstory in the movie and thus how Shanks is connected and thus more Shanks history/character development as a pirate and even his time as Yonko potentially and why he has such a bounty.
Yeah, that lines up with Paperchampion's Dirty God/Yakuza theories for Shanks, I like that. I did always feel Kidd knows way more on Shanks than we've seen, seen a much uglier side of him, has some dirt on him etc, Kidd will expose the true nature of Shanks or at least remind people how savage Shanks and his crew can be as they were in the beginning of the series, something ive been DYING to see again but NOT against Kidd of all people ironically LMAO!
Kidds first line was about the disgusting nature of Celestials too IIRC, this would line up with that then too and sort of act like "foreshadowing" or a callback or something if Shanks is involved, Mr Figarland himself ofc.
The day Shanks glazers who think hes some perfect, holy, innocent Gary Stu who can do no wrong and is some "do gooder" pirate entirely which is an oxymoron in itself see Shanks for who he truly is and that hes a pirate after all if not worse than that will be extremely catharthic. Beyond words.
Shanks is a great man but he's far from innocent too. He has his reputation and bounty for a reason too.
I really want to get into the psyche of him and his crew and why Roux was so willing to instantly kill a bandit with no hesitation too. Much like Celestial Dragons just coldly kill people for the pettiest reasons but in Shanks and co's case, they were far more justified ofc.
Oda really let us down with Shanks vs Kidd so far but I pray this is just his Luffy vs Kaido moment and hes gonna bounce back (ironic pun) and we will get a much deeper dive and build up into both Shanks and Kidd and why Kidd has it out for him so much.
The fact Oda won't say how Kidd lost his arm specifically even now and only implying it was Beckmann who did it says a lot too ironically. He must be saving it for the story later. How did Beckmann get rid of it too?
Yeah, that lines up with Paperchampion's Dirty God/Yakuza theories for Shanks, I like that. I did always feel Kidd knows way more on Shanks than we've seen, seen a much uglier side of him, has some dirt on him etc, Kidd will expose the true nature of Shanks or at least remind people how savage Shanks and his crew can be as they were in the beginning of the series, something ive been DYING to see again but NOT against Kidd of all people ironically LMAO!
Kidds first line was about the disgusting nature of Celestials too IIRC, this would line up with that then too and sort of act like "foreshadowing" or a callback or something if Shanks is involved, Mr Figarland himself ofc.
The day Shanks glazers who think hes some perfect, holy, innocent Gary Stu who can do no wrong and is some "do gooder" pirate entirely which is an oxymoron in itself see Shanks for who he truly is and that hes a pirate after all if not worse than that will be extremely catharthic. Beyond words.
Shanks is a great man but he's far from innocent too. He has his reputation and bounty for a reason too.
I really want to get into the psyche of him and his crew and why Roux was so willing to instantly kill a bandit with no hesitation too. Much like Celestial Dragons just coldly kill people for the pettiest reasons but in Shanks and co's case, they were far more justified ofc.
Oda really let us down with Shanks vs Kidd so far but I pray this is just his Luffy vs Kaido moment and hes gonna bounce back (ironic pun) and we will get a much deeper dive and build up into both Shanks and Kidd and why Kidd has it out for him so much.
The fact Oda won't say how Kidd lost his arm specifically even now and only implying it was Beckmann who did it says a lot too ironically. He must be saving it for the story later. How did Beckmann get rid of it too?
LMAO nice! Its perfectly fitting isnt it? I strongly recommend Jinx from League of Legends/Arcane and Gaige from Borderlands if you dont know them already ofc too!
Right?! Thats exactly how I see it too, like a hybrid or something. The semantics of swordsmen in One Piece makes my head hurt so much lol.
Fuck, it wasnt Sabaody but post Marineford, my bad!
He mentions the one piece specifically over pirate king though ofc.
LMAO true!
Plus factor in that Mr Punk himself was meant to go to Egghead and thus ended up going to Elbaf/Shanks where the SHs were meant to go instead and he lost his ship at least if not his crew too (hopefully not though ofc), all because of that decision!
Right!? The meltdowns and salt would be the most beautifully ironic, karmic, poetic and catharthic experience ever! Years of relentless, sociopathic even slander from these assholes returned back to them twice as hard! Ironically they behave just as bad as what they hate Kidd for in some ways, but alas! Self awareness be (the) damned (one)!
Right?! Thats exactly how I see it too, like a hybrid or something. The semantics of swordsmen in One Piece makes my head hurt so much lol.
Fuck, it wasnt Sabaody but post Marineford, my bad!
He mentions the one piece specifically over pirate king though ofc.
LMAO true!
Plus factor in that Mr Punk himself was meant to go to Egghead and thus ended up going to Elbaf/Shanks where the SHs were meant to go instead and he lost his ship at least if not his crew too (hopefully not though ofc), all because of that decision!
Right!? The meltdowns and salt would be the most beautifully ironic, karmic, poetic and catharthic experience ever! Years of relentless, sociopathic even slander from these assholes returned back to them twice as hard! Ironically they behave just as bad as what they hate Kidd for in some ways, but alas! Self awareness be (the) damned (one)!
I mean you could try but all your points won’t be new. In the nicest way I can say this, Law was just more visually impressive and in verbatim (BM’s words always hyped up Law’s attacks). She was begging for Law to not use Puncture Wille and was gimping after. She took the railgun like a champ for comparison. That alone is enough evidence that their APs aren’t close. With acoc then Kidd will get the AP boost he needs, Law skips that step because he has a better df.
Law’s vivre card: generating shockwaves that even the four emperors can’t withstand.
Law’s vivre card: generating shockwaves that even the four emperors can’t withstand.