[FNZ] Role Madness Star Wars OT - Game Thread

[Ultra]

Yes, because only pov I can see you doing this kind of shitty play is if you are scum here and trying to gun for a mislynch for reasons that have nothing to do with the game. You are relying alot in past games and while sure you can say he is inspired by them, does not mean it will follow the same structure. Like I don't have issue with you saying I am scum because of an ingame reason or thread play, but doing this is just some next level low ass move. I expect better from a player with your level ngl with you Ultra.

Simple yes or no question, given I literally pulled the role I just cited from a previous game - do you think looking at Melkor's previous games are going to be totally uninformative?

Saying it's dirty and a low blow implies it's cheap, but not actually irrelevant.

 

[Ratchet]

Like I am not sure what you want me to say? If you wanna dismiss everything I did and my thread play, and how I was mostly correct on my reads etc and wanna stamp me as scum because one game in the past had a role that was serial killer and had a neighbor chat ability. Then from my pov, you are being extremely desperate here to paint me as scum and trying to do anything at your disposal to do that. Because I am town here.

That isn't really what he's doing though. He's gone through your play, it's not like he's conceded that you're town on every front but this one.

 

[Ratchet]

Opinion on Ultra?

GTH town. Setup spec would suggest scum just on principle of Cop/Watcher/Tracker all being town is fairly unlikely, but outside of that I would lean town.

It's pretty hard to get much to work with here though. Like Mango/York/Reloaded - there basically has to be 1-2 scum in here but my God is it hard to solve.

 

[Ultra]

I would say Soul is probably Serial at worst to be honest though.

After combing back through the OLF and fanverse games I saw 1/1/1 split of Town/Indi/Mafia neighbor respectively, so I'd say Melkor has a slight inclination for it.

Most notably I couldn't find anything of the nature regarding his passive situation. It looks like Melkor gives standard role names when applicable, and grants unique names to passives if not. I honestly think Soul tacked this on so that he wouldn't get piled on for neighbor spec, judging by his response here.

 

[SoulKiller]

Simple yes or no question, given I literally pulled the role I just cited from a previous game - do you think looking at Melkor's previous games are going to be totally uninformative?

Saying it's dirty and a low blow implies it's cheap, but not actually irrelevant.

Yes, it's insignificant for this game, and using it in terms to solve would do you more harm than good because this game is not the same as that game. How do I know? because I know my role is not that you quoted. That is a fact, so going down this lane to solve which will backfire HARD.

I think if you are townie here you would not seem this desperate in stamping me scum for such reasoning and it makes more sense from scum pov to try and pull something like this to try to get something going.

It is cheap, and it is irrelevant to this game. Extremely so I would say soo too.

 

[Ratchet]

After combing back through the OLF and fanverse games I saw 1/1/1 split of Town/Indi/Mafia neighbor respectively, so I'd say Melkor has a slight inclination for it.

Most notably I couldn't find anything of the nature regarding his passive situation. It looks like Melkor gives standard role names when applicable, and grants unique names to passives if not. I honestly think Soul tacked this on so that he wouldn't get piled on for neighbor spec, judging by his response here.

The problem with this is that we can assume he would have a fake claim, and I don't really see him diverging from that claim. So I don't really think this stands up, it would have to ne given intentionally from Melkor, not something Soul himself created.

 

[Ultra]

Yes, it's insignificant for this game, and using it in terms to solve would do you more harm than good because this game is not the same as that game. How do I know? because I know my role is not that you quoted. That is a fact, so going down this lane to solve which will backfire HARD.

I think if you are townie here you would not seem this desperate in stamping me scum for such reasoning and it makes more sense from scum pov to try and pull something like this to try to get something going.

It is cheap, and it is irrelevant to this game. Extremely so I would say soo too.

Honestly if it's a low blow and you end up being scum I'll take it, I don't have a hard time reconciling that compared to some of the crap that goes around here and is adamantly defended, and the fault would be on host for being rather predictable, not me for noticing.

 

[Ultra]

The problem with this is that we can assume he would have a fake claim, and I don't really see him diverging from that claim. So I don't really think this stands up, it would have to ne given intentionally from Melkor, not something Soul himself created.

Depends, his god given fake claim in this case would be Neighbor, which is NAI, so I can see him adding to that claim to shore it up. That depends on what his position is in the thread though, but if he thinks his odds of winning are low then he probably has to come up with something to make it seem reliable.

Considering his mates are probably very easily lynchable right now, can help give him a bit more to work with in terms of threadpull.

 

[SoulKiller]

Honestly if it's a low blow and you end up being scum I'll take it, I don't have a hard time reconciling that compared to some of the crap that goes around here and is adamantly defended, and the fault would be on host for being rather predictable, not me for noticing.

The thing I am trying to wrap my head around here is that would townie ultra do this shit? because you basically entering some realms that you should know is not optimal at all to solve and digging too deep into the trash to come out with something. It also lowkey goes against the spirit of the game in a sense, because you are using something that has no relevance to this game. It's like using chemistry exam paper answers to solve math exam paper.

But now, switch the script and look at it from scum ultra and it makes much more sense and more likely here.

@Ratchet does townie ultra do what he has done right now?

 

[Ratchet]

It should be noted that Ultra was pretty suspect of Yoho earlier in the game, I don't really think they're scum mates tbh.

 

[Ratchet]

Depends, his god given fake claim in this case would be Neighbor, which is NAI, so I can see him adding to that claim to shore it up. That depends on what his position is in the thread though, but if he thinks his odds of winning are low then he probably has to come up with something to make it seem reliable.

Considering his mates are probably very easily lynchable right now, can help give him a bit more to work with in terms of threadpull.

I really, really don't think he would be adding anything to his fake. It's not really his MO. A serial would make some sense as it means a portion at least of his thread play is genuine and could also explain some of his frustration. Makes quite a bit of sense actually.

Which leads us back to Reloaded and Mango. Probably have to lynch between there.

 

[SoulKiller]

It should be noted that Ultra was pretty suspect of Yoho earlier in the game, I don't really think they're scum mates tbh.

Wanna provide quotes? cause I do not recall him and yoho interacting at all actually, and if they did it's barely BARELY noticable. I was thinking they were not interacting with one another on purpsoe here.

 

[Ultra]

It should be noted that Ultra was pretty suspect of Yoho earlier in the game, I don't really think they're scum mates tbh.

I would say Soul was probably harder on Yoho than I was and I don't have a hard time reconciling him as scum to be fair.

 

[Ratchet]

I would say Soul was probably harder on Yoho than I was and I don't have a hard time reconciling him as scum to be fair.

I remember having a back and forth with you where you were fitting his play to scum and I disagreed based on meta, so... you would have to be fighting against a freebie there. But if Soul was against him too, can also point to Serial.

 

[Ultra]

I really, really don't think he would be adding anything to his fake. It's not really his MO. A serial would make some sense as it means a portion at least of his thread play is genuine and could also explain some of his frustration. Makes quite a bit of sense actually.

Which leads us back to Reloaded and Mango. Probably have to lynch between there.

That would probably be the most likely conclusion if I factor in your read of him. Would explain his sense of detachment from driving any lynches this game as well as keeping the PoE as wide open as possible.

 

[Ultra]

The thing I am trying to wrap my head around here is that would townie ultra do this shit? because you basically entering some realms that you should know is not optimal at all to solve and digging too deep into the trash to come out with something. It also lowkey goes against the spirit of the game in a sense, because you are using something that has no relevance to this game. It's like using chemistry exam paper answers to solve math exam paper.

But now, switch the script and look at it from scum ultra and it makes much more sense and more likely here.

@Ratchet does townie ultra do what he has done right now?

Just because you keep saying this doesn't mean it's true

 

[Ultra]

I would wager comparing previous set ups with numerous similarities is more likely to be informative than the type of angleshooting you are comfortable employing

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

this feel like unstoppable force vs immovable object

 

[Ultra]

@Ratchet basically only thing I could find is rolecrush that seems applicable re: Kiku here

 

[SoulKiller]

@Emil what's your take on Yoho btw?

he seems pretty chill for a back to back scum id say but im not the best at reading this guy. had him incorrectly as town last weebs until learning he was poisoner. u seeing something on him?

The bizzare scum read he gave on Naomi based on vibes, which doesn't make a lot of sense because he's never seen a scum Naomi.
And then when I asked him about it, he never really gave a concrete answer.

So I am going back and rereading DP1 to see where in green mother of hell did Ultra and Yoho interact here, still nothing. But I found these posts from reloaded which looking back at it, seem extremely interesting. Do you think Reloaded was lowkey pushing his partner here? or this opinion makes them seem less likely to be mates?

@Ultra
@Ratchet