Powers & Abilities Swordsmanship through Zoro’s battles: east blue edition

#1
Orange town: zoro vs cabaji
Zoro’s first real fight with it setting up what being a swordsman means


The fight starts off with a clash of swords, zoro challenging him to a sword duel, and even cabaji himself referring to himself as a swordsman
So just basing it off those first 2 panels it seemingly cut and dry that cabaji is just as much of a swordsman as zoro or mihawk. Something that would be true if you stop reading the fight at that point

The first things cabaji does after accepting the sword duel is spit fire in zoro’s face and kick him. Something I think we can all agree isn’t part of swordsmanship


With zoro outright saying he’s going to show him what real swordplay looks like. Obviously calling him out on all his bullshit tactics that have nothing to do with swordsmanship


At the same time despite cabaji barely doing any real swordsmanship just due to the fact he himself claims to be one is enough for zoro. Basically even tho you don’t actually practice swordsmanship if you claim to be one anyway is enough of a reason for zoro to need to beat your ass and show you what it really looks like


After all the circus tricks shit cabaji himself essentially admits and agrees what he was doing before wasting swordsmanship. Him claiming that now he’s going to show off his real swordsmanship…right before before getting one shot

Syrup villagevs cat brothers
This fight emphasizing the difference between using a sword and having a sword style

At that point zoro makes it clear that after 2 of his swords were taken that he straight up wasn’t that good at “one sword style”. The “style” being important because it insinuates skill and technique

He also does so again when he lets them know using 3 swords =/= following 3 swords style are 2 very different things right before cutting them down

Baratie: zoro vs mihawk

We meet mihawk and we get a lot more insight on what it means to be a swordsman


There’s this which highlights again there’s more to being a swordsman than just swinging around a sword



The main highlight about swordsmanship tho is the unspoken code between swordsman. Emphasizing that swordsmanship is a type of lifestyle one lives by not just something everyone with a sword is

Arlong park: zoro vs hachi

Hachi the second strongest swordsman from fish man island behind hyouzou. He claims to be a master at 6 sword style and he actually has attacks dedicated to it that aren’t just him flailing his blades




He pretty much just shows the one but hey it’s better than most lol


At the same time while having a sword style he also isn’t limited to his swordsmanship. Him having no problem whatsoever punching, kicking, fighting, or whatever in conjunction or just straight up without his swords

So to sum it all up
Things important to being a swordsman
  1. Using your actual swords
    • Punching kicking etc isn’t a part of swordsmanship lol
  2. Claiming to be one
    • Doesn’t matter how actually skilled or not you are. Just claiming to be one is enough
  3. Skill/style/technique
    • There’s a difference between using a sword and being a swordsman
  4. Swordsman code
    • True swordsman honor a short of unspoken code between them and what being a swordsman means
  5. Respecting and valuing your blades
    • Just wanted a 5th point to make it feel even
    • A true swordsman is going to respect their blade as a part of themselves not just a tool to use. Mutual respect between blade and user
Thank you @conq for enlightening me
:pepebusi:
 
#7
Orange town: zoro vs cabaji
Zoro’s first real fight with it setting up what being a swordsman means


The fight starts off with a clash of swords, zoro challenging him to a sword duel, and even cabaji himself referring to himself as a swordsman
So just basing it off those first 2 panels it seemingly cut and dry that cabaji is just as much of a swordsman as zoro or mihawk. Something that would be true if you stop reading the fight at that point

The first things cabaji does after accepting the sword duel is spit fire in zoro’s face and kick him. Something I think we can all agree isn’t part of swordsmanship


With zoro outright saying he’s going to show him what real swordplay looks like. Obviously calling him out on all his bullshit tactics that have nothing to do with swordsmanship


At the same time despite cabaji barely doing any real swordsmanship just due to the fact he himself claims to be one is enough for zoro. Basically even tho you don’t actually practice swordsmanship if you claim to be one anyway is enough of a reason for zoro to need to beat your ass and show you what it really looks like


After all the circus tricks shit cabaji himself essentially admits and agrees what he was doing before wasting swordsmanship. Him claiming that now he’s going to show off his real swordsmanship…right before before getting one shot

Syrup villagevs cat brothers
This fight emphasizing the difference between using a sword and having a sword style

At that point zoro makes it clear that after 2 of his swords were taken that he straight up wasn’t that good at “one sword style”. The “style” being important because it insinuates skill and technique

He also does so again when he lets them know using 3 swords =/= following 3 swords style are 2 very different things right before cutting them down

Baratie: zoro vs mihawk

We meet mihawk and we get a lot more insight on what it means to be a swordsman


There’s this which highlights again there’s more to being a swordsman than just swinging around a sword



The main highlight about swordsmanship tho is the unspoken code between swordsman. Emphasizing that swordsmanship is a type of lifestyle one lives by not just something everyone with a sword is

Arlong park: zoro vs hachi

Hachi the second strongest swordsman from fish man island behind hyouzou. He claims to be a master at 6 sword style and he actually has attacks dedicated to it that aren’t just him flailing his blades




He pretty much just shows the one but hey it’s better than most lol


At the same time while having a sword style he also isn’t limited to his swordsmanship. Him having no problem whatsoever punching, kicking, fighting, or whatever in conjunction or just straight up without his swords

So to sum it all up
Things important to being a swordsman
  1. Using your actual swords
    • Punching kicking etc isn’t a part of swordsmanship lol
  2. Claiming to be one
    • Doesn’t matter how actually skilled or not you are. Just claiming to be one is enough
  3. Skill/style/technique
    • There’s a difference between using a sword and being a swordsman
  4. Swordsman code
    • True swordsman honor a short of unspoken code between them and what being a swordsman means
  5. Respecting and valuing your blades
    • Just wanted a 5th point to make it feel even
    • A true swordsman is going to respect their blade as a part of themselves not just a tool to use. Mutual respect between blade and user
Thank you @conq for enlightening me
:pepebusi:
All these panels put an emphasis on the fact that without skills you're a weaker swordsman.
Real swordsmanship skills are better than any trick and brute force.
After all, in one of the panel you yourself posted Mihawk says

Mihawk in ch 50: a sword without subtlety is no strong sword

Spoiler: this is not about swords
 
#13
And they tell us Zoro is a bland character this man occupies haters mind 24/7 same for Mihawk :arnoling:
Somebody tell me that I am wrong but is Mihawk the guy with the most threads dedicated to hating on him on the whole Forum? The way some people hate this guy you would think he is in every chapter and personally caused their favorite characters tragic backstory.
 
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#14
Is Shiryu a swordsman?
Yeah he doesn’t seem to follow or respect swordsman code tho like zoro/mihawk

Same way cabaji doesn’t fit in any of the other categories yet claims to be it swordsman = he’s a swordsman. Shiryu fits under more categories but he just doesn’t follow the code of swordsmen

Like they aren’t “true” swordsmen in the way of zoro/mihawk but they still are in their own right
  • Cabaji not fitting anything besides claiming he is
  • Shiryu likely fitting everything else but not caring about the code
 
#15
Yeah he doesn’t seem to follow or respect swordsman code tho like zoro/mihawk

Same way cabaji doesn’t fit in any of the other categories yet claims to be it swordsman = he’s a swordsman. Shiryu fits under more categories but he just doesn’t follow the code of swordsmen

Like they aren’t “true” swordsmen in the way of zoro/mihawk but they still are in their own right
  • Cabaji not fitting anything besides claiming he is
  • Shiryu likely fitting everything else but not caring about the code
Stfu idiot
 
#16
I love how Mihawk/Zoro Haters always find new ways to try and analyze the word "Swordsmanship" as if it's a newly invented word that We absolutely have no idea what it means & doesn't exist in any dictionary.

Just because the guy who's best at it is still chilling, reserved & untouched for over 1000 Chapters.
There is not a single character in Fiction who scares readers more than other characters of his verse like Mihawk does.
That in itself shows why He is regarded as Best
 
#17
I love how Mihawk/Zoro Haters always find new ways to try and analyze the word "Swordsmanship" as if it's a newly invented word that We absolutely have no idea what it means & doesn't exist in any dictionary.

Just because the guy who's best at it is still chilling, reserved & untouched for over 1000 Chapters.
There is not a single character in Fiction who scares readers more than other characters of his verse like Mihawk does.
That in itself shows why He is regarded as Best


This panel exists. And people wish to try their HARDEST to twist it to say "well, why does it now directly state Mihawk is stronger than Shanks?" when it FACTUALLY does.

Why in the actual fuck does Brannnew even compare Mihawk to Shanks if the guy is not a swordsman?

"Lionel Messi, the greatest football player of all time, even greater than Lebron James" is about as logical of a comparison if Shanks was not a swordsman.

Shanks has NEVER done SHIT without a sword aside from knocking out fodder and slightly messing up Whitebeard ship via haki, but just because he has not turned directly to the reader and said "hey, fucking morons, I am a SWORDSMAN!" they make cope after cope thread denying reality.
 
#19


This panel exists. And people wish to try their HARDEST to twist it to say "well, why does it now directly state Mihawk is stronger than Shanks?" when it FACTUALLY does.

Why in the actual fuck does Brannnew even compare Mihawk to Shanks if the guy is not a swordsman?

"Lionel Messi, the greatest football player of all time, even greater than Lebron James" is about as logical of a comparison if Shanks was not a swordsman.

Shanks has NEVER done SHIT without a sword aside from knocking out fodder and slightly messing up Whitebeard ship via haki, but just because he has not turned directly to the reader and said "hey, fucking morons, I am a SWORDSMAN!" they make cope after cope thread denying reality.
I'm really curious to know who are Characters they believe are automatically weaker than Mihawk solely based on his Title.
Cuz if Shanks isn't One, then literally no One is, they are in no position to name anyone in entire Story who is included in Mihawk's Title.

They honestly believe that Mihawk & Zoro are only Swordsmen in OPVerse
A World where 99% of Fighters use Swords or other similar Bladed Weapons
 
#20
Like they aren’t “true” swordsmen in the way of zoro/mihawk but they still are in their own right
Hmmm, so there’s a hierarchy of swordsmen outside of the WSS? “True” and “false” swordsmen?

Or are they one in the same? The WSS is the “TRUEST” swordsman?

I’m asking because because in the examples you gave above, Oda doesn’t introduce the idea that there is such a thing as “True” swordsmen.

mihawk never says his philosophy of swordsmanship is the “true” philosophy of swordsmanship… Neither does Zoro.

In fact Oda has multiple characters throughout the story with opposite “swordsmanship philosophies” and Oda has yet to come out and say which on is the correct one.

the only stated heirarchy in swordsmanship presented in the story is the most basic one. Swordsmanship is a fighting style. So you become a “Better swordsman” simply by winning.

like if Cabaji or Hachi defeated Zoro in combat, would you still take Zoro’s words as the gospel of swordsmanship? No you wouldn’t right? Cabaji or Hachi would simply plainly be the “Stronger swordsmen” if they won the fight, no matter what philosophy they used.
 
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