General & Others Monster trio armament training during timeskip

#1


Luffy zoro and sanji all learned haki during the timeskip. Tho in this case ima just focus on armament in which each came out of it a different level of mastery

All 3:
Are always using haki in combat situations just like everyone else with haki. With basic observation and armament haki being invisible they’re no visual indicators really but at the same time duh. Like all 3 obviously used haki against the pacifista right out of the gate. They don’t need to say it every time

Luffy:


On top of the basic invisible armament Luffy also learned hardening. His usage of hardening being the most casual and easy out of the 3. It being enough of a big deal for him to add a new naming scheme to his old attacks like saying when he’s using hardening in base, jet -> hawk, gigant -> elephant, and Gigant jet -> roc

Also thanks to his armament he also developed gear 4 a form that relies on it. With him being able to perfectly infuse his hardening and devil fruit in order to keep his rubbery properties while having it up. The flame pattern likely insinuating that perfect fusion between the two

Zoro:


Due to being a weapons user when learning how to fully utilize armament haki he has to jump to the more advanced application in emissions. That being because to use haki on your weapons you just straight up need to learn it. While zoro did use haki against daz while in a life or death situation it was only during his training with mihawk that he actually mastered the ability enough to be able to always use it

Zoro like luffy also learned hardening. In his case him being able to use it was made to seem like a special moment. Him likely not being able to use it as freely as luffy at that point but still capable of using it regardless. Tho through his growth in wano it has become an extremely casual thing for him now. In general weapon users being able to harden their weapons is lowkey made to seem like a pretty big deal or achievement. Just looking at mihawk to zoro and oden to his retainers




Zoro also learned new enhanced versions of his old attacks like lion song -> death lion song, Rashomon -> restful paradise Rashomon, and onigiri -> purgatory onigiri. Since he’s capable of using both the old and new versions with haki (even hardening) I don’t think the new versions of the attack have anything to do with haki. Imo it might have something to do with his mastery of shusui and his scar in some way

Sanji:

Honestly his hardening usuage is a lot more annoying to pinpoint not only because most of his attacks are straight up mistranslated but oda doesn’t help really by giving much of a visual indication. So ima just go through all his variations of attacks to try to make it easier to understand

Im pretty sure we all know at least that sanji's "normal" attacks are based on just where hes specifically hitting someone. For example the attack ima show off collier = neck

Collier mistakenly translated to collier coup but is just the most basic version

Collier shoot a stronger version of the normal collier kick translated as collier coup


Collier shoot + diable jambe. He doesn't really change the name just does it with dj again translated to coup. He could also be stacking invisible armament on top of it post timeskip but that doesn’t really change the name either

Collier strike an even more powerful version of collier shoot. In my opinion the strike attacks definitely indicate armament being used but more than just him using armament it’s because he’s able to heat up his leg even further due to the added durability which is why he changes the name

So Basically
  1. Collier and most his basic body part named attacks are his weakest and usually used to combo into eachother ending with a special kick by the end
  2. < shoot versions are attacks specifically made to do as much damage as he can to that specific body part
  3. < diable jambe + shoot the same as before just with the dj boost. He could also stack armament on it
  4. < diable jambe strike a new thing post timeskip even stronger shoot. The name finally changing because he’s not just using armament haki and diable jambe but enhancing the heat of his flame with it
 
#3
1. Sanji had no specific haki training
2. "who can use haki" can mean anything from CoO to CoC
3. brute force can outperform haki
4. All haki is invisible. With the only exception being CoA coating

Barrier haki is invisible
CoC coating is invisible
CoO... duh
The context of who can use haki was for the purpose of explaining who can touch Caesar.

Sanjis hardening doesn't show because he wears black pants and shoes. Check hardening on other characters wearing black. You'll see the truth.
 
#6
I feel it’s fine to say sanji doesn’t have hardening. Especially when considering it was a decently big deal for zoro

I imagine when he does get hardening he might be able to ifrit without even using the exoskeleton. Which could be cool
 
#9
Sanji uses hardening when he uses DJ. Just like he uses hardening and Exoskeleton whenever he uses IJ like we saw this chapter.

Hardening isn’t ever shown to be an impressive thing, it’s the basic form of CoA
 
#12
Some people fail to realize that the more they downgrade Sanji's CoA, the more room he has for growth, means he could be even more stronger.

"Sanji's CoA is fodder tier" = only invis CoA = can use Ifrit
"Sanji's CoA is normal tier" = visible CoA = stronger flames

Why Sanji definitely has room for growth?
Because all high tier can do Hardening (visible version) like Queen, and it seems to be the bare minimum of all high tier.
 
#13
A lot of fans are sleeping on Sanji's Armament a lot.

Dude can use full body Armament now : he used Hell Memories with Ifrit fire when kicking balloon Luffy in Egghead.

Whether invisible and visible Armament is of different tier or not, Sanji definitely has good enough proficiency & Haki pool at the level of Vergo & Pica. Which is good & high enough.
 
#14
What's the point of having Hardening if his Leg gonna get cracked against Vergo?
It's better to say He didn't have it, rather than say He did & still couldn't protect his Leg against someone like Vergo in literally NW First Island
1. In AL arc during Boa vs Luffy scene, we know that sufficient powerlevel can overcome CoA. He used Gear 2 and it hurts Boa sister who activated CoA.

2. In PH arc, it is explained through Vergo that in a clash of Haki, the one with stronger Haki would win.

So:
1. Even if Sanji used Hardening, his leg can still be cracked if the opponent is strong enough.
2. It only means that Vergo's Haki > Sanji's Haki, thus he can crack the leg.
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I feel it’s fine to say sanji doesn’t have hardening.
It's fine, only because Haki is only 1/3 of Sanji's repertoire, even more when his specialty is CoO.

The other 1/3 is Science and the other 1/3 is Black Leg Style & fire.

So, how shit his CoA actually be, at the end of the day it doesn't matter much.
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Idk what's worse in Sanji's case, to not be able to use hardening or he could do it but Vergo was able to crack his leg.
Not able to use hardening.

Because if he could do it but still get his leg cracked, it just means that Vergo has stronger Haki than Sanji, which is still reasonable. Just like Who's Who & Jinbe scene.
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Sanji didn't have hardening until his awakening and off screen training Post timeskip.

That's why he's only then able to use Ifrit.

So somewhere between Whole Cake and Wano, we can conclude he was then able to utilize hardening.
He's only able to use Ifrit because of Exoskeleton after his Awakening.

Him learning "hardening" alone still isn't enough.
 
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#16
Sanji uses hardening when he uses DJ.
More like, he uses Hardening when he uses DJ in post timeskip.

One of the Sanji's plot point in Sabaody during Pacifista scene is that he can't use Diable too much because it can harm him.

Post timeskip he doesn't have that limitations, which means he knows how to uses Hardening to defends his body from Diable's side effects.
 
#17
More like, he uses Hardening when he uses DJ in post timeskip.

One of the Sanji's plot point in Sabaody during Pacifista scene is that he can't use Diable too much because it can harm him.

Post timeskip he doesn't have that limitations, which means he knows how to uses Hardening to defends his body from Diable's side effects.
that’s what I meant was Post TS
 
#18
I do not argue that Sanji has no CoA. He does have it.
Sanjis hardening also never showed when he wore white.
At some point you just have to cut your losses.
It did but zoro fans downplayed it. He had to vs daifuku with his blade. It's from the distance but colored black.

Oda likes to tease and play the zoro sanji fan base. You see him troll all the time.

Would you claim even now that sanji doesn't have hardening? Queen had hardening and sanji overpowered him before his power up. I don't believe odas gonna change this anytime soon.

Coa lightning with king



Invisible coa doesnt stop blades. Luffys hardening couldnt stop hodys teeth. Let alone judges blade using invisible.





Sanji overpowered queens coa many times. His haki must have been better
 
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