Powers & Abilities Is this first time Sanji clearly using so called hardening on panel?

[Roo]

Sanji clearly can use hardening lmao

You guys are legit weirdos for dying on the hill that he can’t

 

[Ven437]

His crackers are already as hard as steel or whatever without haki. He doesn't need to use Hardening to make them Hard.

Uhh what?

Oda literally made a clear distinction between emission and hardening. Oda makes NO distinction between "invisible" and hardening. The latter is all the same shit.

Oda is just a lazy niqqa.

You can use haki without using Hardening. You can use internal destruction haki without using Hardening.

CoA = hardening = anybody who uses CoA has hardening. FFS even fodder are show to have it

Luffy freed Hyogoro without getting specific training, just by haki bloom and forcing it to happen. He freed Yamato after being trained. Why use extra techniques if they aren't necessary?

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or, honestly, lack of shading could always be an art mistake lol

You are forcing a painfully obtuse description into something that is literally not that hard to comprehend. Just stop

 

[zenox]

What if I tell you guys that Sanji can already done a more advanced CoA application than just Armament/Hardening? And it's canon btw.

entertain me

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FFS even fodder are show to have it

FILLER

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Uhh what?

Oda literally made a clear distinction between emission and hardening. Oda makes NO distinction between "invisible" and hardening. The latter is all the same shit.

Oda is just a lazy niqqa.



CoA = hardening = anybody who uses CoA has hardening. FFS even fodder are show to have it

You are forcing a painfully obtuse description into something that is literally not that hard to comprehend. Just stop

how many fucking times do i have to quote those fucking pages oh my god you people literally cannot read

 

[Juanpiz]

So much fuss about simple question lol

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Luffy hits Caesar with regular haki and hurts him. Caesars says "That hurt." He is bleeding. That's still not enough damage so Luffy uses Hardening. He says Hardening. His fists only turn black when he uses hardening. Caesar sees his blackened fists and reacts to this with fear because he knows it would hurt more.

These 4 pages are right after each other. This should not be hard to understand for anyone.

how much more obvious of a fucking distinction can there possibly be? you see the same people involved, you see it clearly portrayed as a separate technique used with CoA, Caesar reacts differently to it because he can see it turn black and also knows it will hit harder, its in the manga. read the manga. Oda is making the distinction right here. read it.

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Uhh what?

Oda literally made a clear distinction between emission and hardening. Oda makes NO distinction between "invisible" and hardening. The latter is all the same shit.

Oda is just a lazy niqqa.



CoA = hardening = anybody who uses CoA has hardening. FFS even fodder are show to have it

You are forcing a painfully obtuse description into something that is literally not that hard to comprehend. Just stop

exactly. it's very easy to comprehend. it's right fucking there. you can read it. its a separate technique. you don't even need to know how to read WORDS to understand this. just look at the pictures. he punches Caesar while he's in a logia gas form and it hurts him and draws blood. he's using haki but there's no shading. the NEXT FUCKING PAGE theres shading. look at the pictures like a fucking caveman and you can still tell that when luffy uses the black coating and caesar reacts like he's doing a different thing, its a different thing

 

[zenox]

how much more obvious of a fucking distinction can there possibly be? you see the same people involved, you see it clearly portrayed as a separate technique used with CoA, Caesar reacts differently to it because he can see it turn black and also knows it will hit harder, its in the manga. read the manga. Oda is making the distinction right here. read it.

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exactly. it's very easy to comprehend. it's right fucking there. you can read it. its a separate technique. you don't even need to know how to read WORDS to understand this. just look at the pictures. he punches Caesar while he's in a logia gas form and it hurts him and draws blood. he's using haki but there's no shading. the NEXT FUCKING PAGE theres shading. look at the pictures like a fucking caveman and you can still tell that when luffy uses the black coating and caesar reacts like he's doing a different thing, its a different thing

isnt haki supposed to be invisible ?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

isnt haki supposed to be invisible ?

the base form of armament haki is, yes. it isn't always invisible. mihawk talks about hardening turning swords visibly black in a flashback in dressrosa. there's this scene in punk hazard i keep reposting. "armament hardening" is a specific move you can do with CoA that physically hardens the thing you're infusing with haki and makes it look black and shiny.

 

[langitbarat]

entertain me

The thing I'm talking about is coating one's entire body with Haki.

And so far when it happened (with Vergo & Pica), they did it with Blackening/Hardening, not just invisible CoA.

Sanji did a "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories" attack on Luffy, chapter 1119 page 5.

And we know that Ifrit requires CoA to defend Sanji's body, and we know Hell Memories made Sanji's whole body catches fire.

So, even if Sanji did coat himself with invisible Haki, he did it full body, which still is high enough feat beyond the basic.

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the base form of armament haki is, yes. it isn't always invisible. mihawk talks about hardening turning swords visibly black in a flashback in dressrosa. there's this scene in punk hazard i keep reposting. "armament hardening" is a specific move you can do with CoA that physically hardens the thing you're infusing with haki and makes it look black and shiny.

I'm someone who joins the wiki community, and so far I know that community's stance on this is that these things are different. And I agree & follow them.

Hardening can be invisible or black, but the thing you're talking about is Imbuement or Infusion, which is indeed another level of CoA because it coats something other than you.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Who cares about hardening, the obsession with this is insane.

 

[Kiiro]

Why didnt you post the panel?

 

[Salah WG]

Yes? Since Oda outright showed that Sanjis exo is only active when his eyebrow changes to match his brothers and sister.

You think it doesn’t?

Since Sanji can only use Ifrit because of the exoskeleton, why don't you post a panel of Sanji using it without his eyebrow being flipped.

He just used Ifrit Jambe without his Eyebrows changing direction.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He just used Ifrit Jambe without his Eyebrows changing direction.

And Luffy used G3 yelling Gear 4.

 

[Salah WG]

And Luffy used G3 yelling Gear 4.

I showed you the Panel you asked for.
If you wanna believe it's a Mistake, be free to do so.
I'm not responsible for Oda's Work.

 

[Hamlette]

He just used Ifrit Jambe without his Eyebrows changing direction.

The exception doesn't disprove the rule, this could easily be an illustration error, just like a couple chapters prior where there were so many errors people thought it was intentional but lo and behold they weren't. But even if it isn't, Ifrit is not fully dependent on the genes but only partly, it could be that Sanji developed his base stats enough to withstand ifrit but you still can't show me a panel post the completion of Sanjis Germa transformation of him explicitly using the exoskeleton without his eyebrows being flipped, that would be the smoking gun since it's fully dependent on the genes. It's also very telling that you couldn't answer my question the day I asked it.

 

[Salah WG]

The exception doesn't disprove the rule, this could easily be an illustration error, just like a couple chapters prior where there were so many errors people thought it was intentional but lo and behold they weren't. But even if it isn't, Ifrit is not fully dependent on the genes but only partly, it could be that Sanji developed his base stats enough to withstand ifrit but you still can't show me a panel post the completion of Sanjis Germa transformation of him explicitly using the exoskeleton without his eyebrows being flipped, that would be the smoking gun since it's fully dependent on the genes. It's also very telling that you couldn't answer my question the day I asked it.

You're making the Claim, not me, so if you want to prove something, you share the Panel.
What We know for a Fact is that Sanji Unlocked Exoskeleton in Onigashima, you're the one who assumed that it got Disabled after his Fight, something that his Siblings never shown doing, nor was it ever stated, if you have a Panel showing Sanji lacking Exoskeleton after Onigashima, i'd be happy to change my mind

Oda can make Illustration Errors but it's not my job to assume a Panel that i don't agree with is an Error, unless it's an obvious mistake.
For example, there are People who said Venus White Sword is an Error, i have no reason to assume it was, same case here.

So there is difference between "I couldn't answer your question" and "Your question isn't valid".
If you want to say that "Exoskeleton" is Temporary Power-Up or requires Activation, then show me a Panel or Statement where any of Germa Children demonstrate that.

 

[Gauntlet]

Sanji clearly can use hardening lmao

You guys are legit weirdos for dying on the hill that he can’t

Panels or it didn't happen.

 

[Hamlette]

You're making the Claim, not me, so if you want to prove something, you share the Panel.
What We know for a Fact is that Sanji Unlocked Exoskeleton in Onigashima, you're the one who assumed that it got Disabled after his Fight, something that his Siblings never shown doing, nor was it ever stated, if you have a Panel showing Sanji lacking Exoskeleton after Onigashima, i'd be happy to change my mind

Oda can make Illustration Errors but it's not my job to assume a Panel that i don't agree with is an Error, unless it's an obvious mistake.
For example, there are People who said Venus White Sword is an Error, i have no reason to assume it was, same case here.

So there is difference between "I couldn't answer your question" and "Your question isn't valid".
If you want to say that "Exoskeleton" is Temporary Power-Up or requires Activation, then show me a Panel or Statement where any of Germa Children demonstrate that.

The eyebrow flip was the visual indication of the completion of Sanjis Germa gene transformation, so if it were permanently activated then it would be indicated by the same visual cue. But in the case of Sanji there is this constant switching of the eyebrow, this is not by accident since we have several examples of it occurring. Now you have to explain to me what it could possibly represent other than an activation of the exact powers which were visually connected to the flipping of his eyebrows.

The "mood" argument holds no weight since we've seen Sanji in states of neutrality and anger with his eyebrow flipped and not flipped, there is no consistency to the mood argument. In every instance of Sanji using Ifrit we see his eyebrow is switched, when he face tanked S-sharks punch his eyebrow was switched and when he destroyed Kizarus light beam his eyebrow was switched. Sanji is incapable of preforming such feats without the use of his exoskeleton, again, a single instance of Ifrit being used without the eyebrow flip is not evidence, it could simply be a mistake but it could also indicate his progress in base. The burden of proof is actually upon you to explain to me what the eyebrow flip indicates, since it's obviously a common and intentional occurrence.