Chapter Discussion Jujutsu Kaisen, Chapter 271: From Here on Out (FINAL CHAPTER)

[NikaInParis]

not really it was a legitimate way to be revived and was explained by shalnark via AHA explanation and hisokas special properties, hisoka didnt just die he anticipated he was about to lose and die with set conditions to his bungee gum while protection his own heart and lung in the process, so far that fight has set up a major storyline within the main storyline with the spiders actively hunting hisoka and them continuing to be the main figures within the manga. with both Chrollo and Hisoka suffering major losses from the fight
hisoka died for a moment, he also lost body parts he was never even actually healed afterwards he cosmetically altered and "faked" bodyparts with texture but he is now forever damaged from the fight and Chrollo due to needing to use abilities from the other spiders he brought their own deaths upon them and has to be death with death. hisoka and chrollo were always more then just side characters the are also considered MCs and Main Antagonist, and the relationship between Kurapika and Chrollo wasnt just going to end with Uvogins death.

this isnt like some stupid 16yo girl disobeying every command she was given for her own selfish reasonings fighting someone out of their league dying for 2/3 of the series then randomly resurrecting from an unknown comma for months to land a fatal blow against the main antagonist...

Hisoka's death is the stupidest thing Togashi ever put on paper. "Oh my rubber nen" gets memed on for a reason.
And idk why you throwing Nobara at me when I've been calling that whole ordeal trash since the moment it happened lol

anyways once OPM anime returns that will dwarf anything that JJK produces even Gojo vs Sukuna lol


OPM s3 is going to be insane in its own right lol

If S2 is anything to go by, and it is, S3 will be trash as well.
S1 was an anomaly where the guy in charge basically assembled the animation avengers and let them go crazy.

 

[MUUGEN]

Hisoka's death is the stupidest thing Togashi ever put on paper. "Oh my rubber nen" gets memed on for a reason.
And idk why you throwing Nobara at me when I've been calling that whole ordeal trash since the moment it happened lol

If S2 is anything to go by, and it is, S3 will be trash as well.
S1 was an anomaly where the guy in charge basically assembled the animation avengers and let them go crazy.

why and how is it the "stupest" thing togashi ever put on paper?

the only thing that gets memed about bungee gum is that it is repeated that it has the properties of both rubber and gum and nothing more... its not memed for what it has actually displayed or been shown to do when in action.


natsume took his team to work on other projects at the same time not much you can do in that situation when you are already under a strict timeline for s2, the s3 trailer is already showcasing the action sequences and detailing that were missing in s2 and if you havent seen the s2 on bluray then youre already missing out on the fixes the studio made post production for s2 as they also had restrictions coming into the making of s2. & you already said it at the start s1 was the best of the best its not something that normally happens so youre expectations shouldnt be compared to a less well known animation team and an animation team that wasnt even released, all animations suffer from season to season directorial and stafing changes. anime is an ever changing game and animators and directors get replaced quicker than any other form of television ive seen. jjk s2 suffered this aswell yeah their animation is better for s2 comparison purposes but s1 didnt have that same level as Yuji v uhh whatever the death paintings name is again. CSM is the same stuid but it is leagues ahead of overall animation and samething has happened to AoT from s1 to s2, too many years in between seasons and add in deadlines things are going to fall flat.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Hisoka's death is the stupidest thing Togashi ever put on paper

Nanika says hello

 

[Ven437]

Did I stutter? Maki clears Toji's writing too btw

Sales speak for themselves, jjk didn't have much motion pre mappa. The average fangirl ain't checking for no generic battle shonen in manga format

Just to compare, CSM had far more hype as we approached the anime adaptation.

Yes sales do speak for themselves

6.8 million copies in circulation before anime aired, approaching 250k mark which is once again WORTHY of being Big 3 material for Shonen. MHA was in the same ballpark pre-anime too

CSM had a similar effect when anime was announced and has never exceeded JJK in terms of sales

Even worse CSM anime though it had a "high quality" adaptation, some would argue higher than JJK mind you, still failed to produce any motion and its anime boost is nonexistent compared to JJK

In fact CSM has dropped back to pre-anime levels for JJK. JJK clears CSM in every stat and for good reason, CSM is overrated af even more so than JJK

But yea the art was somewhat decent until Shibuya ended. That's why i said Gojo looked like a frog only post prison realm. Gege had one of the worst regressions with art and character models I've ever seen. It's been hard to look at for years now. Mappa will fix it.

Art in Culling Game is actually still good though. Many peak spreads and multiple characters like Naoya, Uro, Ishigori, and Angel had great designs (Naoya especially even though his personality is trash)

Shinjuku is when the art started really dropping in quality. The spreads are still good but you can tell Gege started missing beats for some reason (probably fatigue)

 

[DarkWitch]

This whole discussion started cause some troll said HxH was carried by the 2011 anime. When in reality HxH is so legendary that madhouse decided to do a 140+ episode remake when the manga was still far from finished, and was in hiatus hell. There are levels to this shit.

Can you show me these pre anime numbers? Seems like major cap, I see manga like CSM, Spy X Family, and Kaiju no 8 were doing significantly better than JJK in their pre anime run.

After doing a bit of research, JJK sold over 600,000 copies by December 2018 that is when it only had three volumes.

Spy x Family for example sold over 1 million copies with just two volumes in four months.

JJK sold 2 million copies by June 2019 when the series had 5 volumes.

Spy x Family sold 2.4 million copies after the release of volume 3.

JJK didn't make it to the top ten manga of the year until after the anime.

Spy x Family which came out in 2019, made it to the top ten manga of the year in 2020, and the anime wasn't released until 2022.

JJK at the end got a huge boost in both sales and popularity because of the anime.

But series like Spy x Family and CSM were already doing very well way before the anime, heck CSM was already somewhat popular here in the west even before the anime and one year before its anime debut it was already on the top ten manga of the year.

 

[Sasparan]

This whole discussion started cause some troll said HxH was carried by the 2011 anime. When in reality HxH is so legendary that madhouse decided to do a 140+ episode remake when the manga was still far from finished, and was in hiatus hell. There are levels to this shit.

Can you show me these pre anime numbers? Seems like major cap, I see manga like CSM, Spy X Family, and Kaiju no 8 were doing significantly better than JJK in their pre anime run.

I saw some comments calling it jjk popularity=anime before that thats why i wrote it. But you are right it gets an anime because its damn popular.

Actually JJK was popular than all of them let me just post this.

This is 1 month after the anime and series is selling 6 mil before the anime.

For Chainsawman before anime at most it solt 5 million.

As you can see Chainsawman sold 5 million copies this year and this was the parts ending and vol 11 was published 5 months before this graph. As you can see the same thing is with SpyxFamily selling 5 mil right before the anime. And Kaiju at most saw 3 million sales.

If you want i can give you a lot of sites i used.
Firstly Oricon sales https://us.oricon-group.com/news/662/
Secondly WSJ_manga from twitter he posts oricon sales every year
Thirdly if you want to check monthly sales there is this site https://mangacodex.com/oricon_monthly/2019/05_Mayo.php
Fourthly if you want to see weekly sales there is this site https://mangasales.wordpress.com/jujutsu-kaisen/

Like i am so passionate about this topic because jjk was the most popular series i know before the anime.

lol youre obviously not actually reading the comments...

but no jjks poularity came from the anime did it have spurts of good numbers prior yes but not consistent and it was barely even talked about even here until the anime was aired.

sakamoto, kugurabochi and CSM are popular series that have been discussed prior to anime adaptation.

First of all i read all the comments and i saw 4-5 people with the same message saying anime is the reason it got popular. And secondly if you think JJKs popularity came from the anime you are delusional. There is a reason why Mappa jumped on the gun for this series even though at the time they were busy with a lot of projects. I remember those times.

Of course jjk popularity skyrocketed with anime but it was selling same as Black Clover. Just look at this stats.

This is sales between nov 2018-nov 2019 btw. It was fighting many popular seriess without an anime. And lets look at next year Nov 2019- Nov 2020 when it enters the top 10.

Anime came out in October btw and i dont think it would affect 5 million difference. This is sales from Nov 2019-Nov 2020. 6 million sales just behind One Piece.

 

[MUUGEN]

Did I stutter? Maki clears Toji's writing too btw



Yes sales do speak for themselves

6.8 million copies in circulation before anime aired, approaching 250k mark which is once again WORTHY of being Big 3 material for Shonen. MHA was in the same ballpark pre-anime too

CSM had a similar effect when anime was announced and has never exceeded JJK in terms of sales

Even worse CSM anime though it had a "high quality" adaptation, some would argue higher than JJK mind you, still failed to produce any motion and its anime boost is nonexistent compared to JJK

In fact CSM has dropped back to pre-anime levels for JJK. JJK clears CSM in every stat and for good reason, CSM is overrated af even more so than JJK



Art in Culling Game is actually still good though. Many peak spreads and multiple characters like Naoya, Uro, Ishigori, and Angel had great designs (Naoya especially even though his personality is trash)

Shinjuku is when the art started really dropping in quality. The spreads are still good but you can tell Gege started missing beats for some reason (probably fatigue)

where the numbers compared to OP pre anime though, thats what were discussing.... jjk also got an anime adaptation within 2y of serialization CSM was 4y where CSM was doing well better than JJK in pure manga... you also forget to mention a lot o sales come from the horde of leakers for JJK... both manga were release relatively at the same time... you also forget to mention or look at pure manga standpoint where every thing priot to animation CSM>JJK... the moral is that JJK anime has carried the series and it wasnt the overall manga as weve discussed CSM has barely had one season in one of the most heavily stacked anime releases to date even then i know so many people who still have not seen CSM but have seen AoT and JJK there is underlying hype that JJK grabbed upon initial release and JJK 0 that they pumped out a mediocre s2 while in the midst of the most anticipated buildup of the entire storyline that even with all that hype JJK has dropped 35-40% in their last 3 volumes that continuosly contineus to die down.

if you compare CSM part1 the numbers for manga are far superior to JJK in a pure manga to manga standpoint in which this is what we are discussing.

CSM never needed the part 2 it was and is all fan service now its a good addition but without the same group of characters that the og fans came to love they are no longer in the series outside of denji its entirely new stroyline with a whole new set of characters add in a irl 2y timeskip of nothing being released of course the numbers wouldve fallen off and is still holding its own with a much smaller fanbase while JJKs viewer base is over 70% genz a much younger audience that appeals the attention of kids unlike CSM.

mangawise based on MAL: Top Search

CSM Ranked: 56 Popularity 3rd Score 8.71 Members 640,252
JJK Ranked: 202 Popularity 11th Score 8.42 Members 443,469

as stated manga purely CSM is much better than JJK these are the seriese side by side as a whole

animewise:

Anime:
CSM Score 8.48 Ranked #145 Popularity #70 Members 1,614,362
JJK S1 Score 8.58 Ranked #99 Popularity #13 Members 2,664,600
JJK S2 Score 8.80 Ranked #32 Popularity #152 Members 1,056,280

animewise JJK is obviously in better standing, as Mappa also did a lot more promotion and hype for JJK than they have for CSM the average fan for the two arent the same JJK is carried by genz with majority of them being under 18-21 where they are still supporte by their parents, the fanbase that i talk to for CSM are millenials are over the age of at least 25/26..


@Ven437 how old are you?

 

[NikaInParis]

Nanika says hello

That's the second stupidest thing
Revival nen is peerless

 

[L57]

I saw some comments calling it jjk popularity=anime before that thats why i wrote it. But you are right it gets an anime because its damn popular.

Actually JJK was popular than all of them let me just post this.

This is 1 month after the anime and series is selling 6 mil before the anime.

For Chainsawman before anime at most it solt 5 million.

As you can see Chainsawman sold 5 million copies this year and this was the parts ending and vol 11 was published 5 months before this graph. As you can see the same thing is with SpyxFamily selling 5 mil right before the anime. And Kaiju at most saw 3 million sales.

If you want i can give you a lot of sites i used.
Firstly Oricon sales https://us.oricon-group.com/news/662/
Secondly WSJ_manga from twitter he posts oricon sales every year
Thirdly if you want to check monthly sales there is this site https://mangacodex.com/oricon_monthly/2019/05_Mayo.php
Fourthly if you want to see weekly sales there is this site https://mangasales.wordpress.com/jujutsu-kaisen/

Like i am so passionate about this topic because jjk was the most popular series i know before the anime.


First of all i read all the comments and i saw 4-5 people with the same message saying anime is the reason it got popular. And secondly if you think JJKs popularity came from the anime you are delusional. There is a reason why Mappa jumped on the gun for this series even though at the time they were busy with a lot of projects. I remember those times.

Of course jjk popularity skyrocketed with anime but it was selling same as Black Clover. Just look at this stats.

This is sales between nov 2018-nov 2019 btw. It was fighting many popular seriess without an anime. And lets look at next year Nov 2019- Nov 2020 when it enters the top 10.

Anime came out in October btw and i dont think it would affect 5 million difference. This is sales from Nov 2019-Nov 2020. 6 million sales just behind One Piece.

Did I stutter? Maki clears Toji's writing too btw



Yes sales do speak for themselves

6.8 million copies in circulation before anime aired, approaching 250k mark which is once again WORTHY of being Big 3 material for Shonen. MHA was in the same ballpark pre-anime too

CSM had a similar effect when anime was announced and has never exceeded JJK in terms of sales

Even worse CSM anime though it had a "high quality" adaptation, some would argue higher than JJK mind you, still failed to produce any motion and its anime boost is nonexistent compared to JJK

In fact CSM has dropped back to pre-anime levels for JJK. JJK clears CSM in every stat and for good reason, CSM is overrated af even more so than JJK



Art in Culling Game is actually still good though. Many peak spreads and multiple characters like Naoya, Uro, Ishigori, and Angel had great designs (Naoya especially even though his personality is trash)

Shinjuku is when the art started really dropping in quality. The spreads are still good but you can tell Gege started missing beats for some reason (probably fatigue)

Cooked hxh clowns like @ZenZu @MUUGEN
@DarkWitch
Never put that mid ass series midxmid in the same bracket as peak kaisen

 

[notAfanboy]

Fuck, what we have started again. Just enjoy the fucking mangas, does not matter what you read.

I would be lying if I say I did not enjoy JJK. There was a time when I enjoyed One Piece too. The main purpose is ENTERTAINMENT. You wont get enlighted from reading a fictional story, lol

Who cares about sales. I also enjoyed reading Golden Kamuy, I dont think it sold as much as JJK or other WSJ series.

If you just want to argue like kids by saying "my choice is superior than yours", go on!

EDIT: And how the fuck World Trigger is still selling that many copies. As far as a I remember, they are stuck in training arc for almost 2-3 years. Stupid tests and scores.

 

[DarkWitch]

Fuck, what we have started again. Just enjoy the fucking mangas, does not matter what you read.

I would be lying if I say I did not enjoy JJK. There was a time when I enjoyed One Piece too. The main purpose is ENTERTAINMENT. You wont get enlighted from reading a fictional story, lol

Who cares about sales. I also enjoyed reading Golden Kamuy, I dont think it sold as much as JJK or other WSJ series.

If you just want to argue like kids by saying "my choice is superior than yours", go on!

EDIT: And how the fuck World Trigger is still selling that many copies. As far as a I remember, they are stuck in training arc for almost 2-3 years. Stupid tests and scores.

Yeah you're right who cares about sales and popularity, as long as you enjoy the series that's all that matters.

This whole thing started because someone tried to compare Gege to Togashi, and then you have brain dead tards like L57 who is just trolling for attention.

 

[L57]

Yeah you're right who cares about sales and popularity, as long as you enjoy the series that's all that matters.

This whole thing started because someone tried to compare Gege to Togashi, and then you have brain dead tards like L57 who is just trolling for attention.

Im not trolling clown
Get togashi s d outta yo mouth he s overrated

 

[zenox]

@L57 https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1fqqdi6

i have always said mahito is just a lesser version of sukuna
they are similar but mahito got too many flaws

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Imagine trying to compare Gege to Togashi, get the fuck out of here.



You're such a blind JJK fanboy.

Togashi the author who:
- Doesn't know what to do with his own plotlines
- Doesn't know what to do with his characters to the point there are 2 mangas going in parallel, one about Gon and one about Kurapika?
- Doesn't know what he does so asspulls characters and powers to grant immortality or endless wishes (Oh my rubber nen and Nanika)
- Leorio is MIA
- Oh my atomic bomb that we could have used since the start and prevented a lot of innocent dying but jk I am here to fight
- Oh my only enemy that has an arc and is jerked off like some sort of god writing exercise when all the other characters are "I am strong" (Meruem)
- oh my power system that it's just Ki from dragonball with irrelevant label that are constantly forgotten and a class system which includes the I DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT class invalidating all the others

HxH readers are fart sniffers that try to elevate a shonen to something it will never be.
Want character development, read Berserk or Slam Dunk.
Want smart enemies, read Ajin.
Want great fights, read even fucking early Naruto.

HxH is as long as Enies Lobby and it had 3000 times the asspulls than One Piece had at that point in the story.

 

[Juanpiz]

i have always said mahito is just a lesser version of sukuna
they are similar but mahito got too many flaws

But can sukuna do this

i have always said mahito is just a lesser version of sukuna
they are similar but mahito got too many flaws

but can sukuna do this?

 

[zenox]

But can sukuna do this

but can sukuna do this?

he did that heian era style

 

[Juanpiz]

he did that heian era style

It’s not easy being built different

 

[zenox]

 

[MonochromeYoru]

But can sukuna do this

but can sukuna do this?

Sukuna has something far better...

The best part of sukuna is his personality.

And he has the ability to just take over anyone else.

So he can easily take over someone way hotter like Utahime or Uraume or whatever, and still have his naughty personality too

so Sukuna clears

 

[ZenZu]

Did I stutter? Maki clears Toji's writing too btw

Yes sales do speak for themselves

6.8 million copies in circulation before anime aired, approaching 250k mark which is once again WORTHY of being Big 3 material for Shonen. MHA was in the same ballpark pre-anime too

It's 6.8 million side by side with the anime's release. Pretty sure Oricon accounts for november, so this would be roughly a month post anime release since jjk came out in October 2020.

CSM had a similar effect when anime was announced and has never exceeded JJK in terms of sales

Lmao you're proving my point it's almost double if not double what JJK was doing pre anime, also see @DarkWitch post right below yours. CSM was doing significantly better pre anime than JJK, this is simply a fact.

Even worse CSM anime though it had a "high quality" adaptation, some would argue higher than JJK mind you, still failed to produce any motion and its anime boost is nonexistent compared to JJK

In fact CSM has dropped back to pre-anime levels for JJK. JJK clears CSM in every stat and for good reason, CSM is overrated af even more so than JJK

Now you're arguing a completely different thing here. CSM vs JJK popularity overall, we are talking about which series got carried more by the anime. It's clearly JJK and it's not close either.

JJK also appeals to a broader demographic so it was bound to do better in the long run post anime.

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I saw some comments calling it jjk popularity=anime before that thats why i wrote it. But you are right it gets an anime because its damn popular.

Actually JJK was popular than all of them let me just post this.

This is 1 month after the anime and series is selling 6 mil before the anime.

For Chainsawman before anime at most it solt 5 million.

As you can see Chainsawman sold 5 million copies this year and this was the parts ending and vol 11 was published 5 months before this graph. As you can see the same thing is with SpyxFamily selling 5 mil right before the anime. And Kaiju at most saw 3 million sales.

Your numbers and timelines aren't consistent. Those are post anime numbers for JJK.

CSM, Kaiju, and Spy X Family all peaked higher than JJK in sales per volume pre anime. Look at your own numbers.