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Basically my assumption here is that the "gimmick" of this game is that Fuji gave townies all the redirecting roles you would normally give scum and then gave scum protects and stuff to bypass that...I could sorta see Charles being town support to stop town from interacting with these roles as well, hypothetically
 
Probably the best argument in Charles favor is that that Luka flipped x2 Strongman, so you could argue they don't need more utility against redirections...but meh
 
The difference is that Charlie's argument is way worse. He's basically saying mafia have exact duplications of both of the roles which flipped town. Which doesn't make much sense. Fuji is pretty averse to duplicating roles to that extent.

In my case, I'm.pretty sure mafia have passive protections e.g. Bulletproof so I don't believe my utility extends only against town
I do think that exact duplications doesn't make sense based on how some of these games are set up, but is it really out of the realm of possibility?
 
I do think that exact duplications doesn't make sense based on how some of these games are set up, but is it really out of the realm of possibility?
I would say no for these abilities in particular. If Fuji gave mafia a redirection type ability it would probably work a bit differently (Like Nexus). Roles like roleblocker it's not uncommon to see duplication
 
Probably the best argument in Charles favor is that that Luka flipped x2 Strongman, so you could argue they don't need more utility against redirections...but meh
why is that a concern? i flipped really niche abilities, i could just make it up if i was idk, some kind of forger, janitor or whatever i couldn't claim
 
why is that a concern? i flipped really niche abilities, i could just make it up if i was idk, some kind of forger, janitor or whatever i couldn't claim
You keep saying "Oh if I was scum I'd do this or that", but Charles I think if you're scum you're gonna look at your role pm and claim what God gave you for the most part.
 
Doesn't explain Orca failing on ratchet....really if all true it seems like someone who hasn't claimed is a jail and jailed ratchet
Last game Melkor gave us a fog ability which stopped all invests for a night, possible if Orca's an informative role.

We also confused town because Ekko was a motivator, so we ended up blocking two people and insisted one was lying (both were town)
 
You keep saying "Oh if I was scum I'd do this or that", but Charles I think if you're scum you're gonna look at your role pm and claim what God gave you for the most part.
nah, i'm not claiming unprompted as scum unless i have fake claim ready

@Charlie you said you used your move on Orca so he couldn't be redirected right?
N2, it says his next move either can't be redirected or will be upgraded, i didn't get exact confirmation but i assume it's just upgraded if it's something that can't be redirected to begin with

on N1 i used it on indigo
 
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