Eurasia Blossom vs Traumerei and Gustang

[MonsterKaido]

--Going by recent developments in the latest chapter, Gustang used a spark of blossom's flames to dominate traumerei and almost beat him using it.

--Her flames are said to be much stronger than the spark Gustang used against traum.

--So can blossom beat both Gustang and Traumerei at same time?

Thoughts?

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[Welkin]

If she just lets it go crazy then… yeah? I was really hoping the story wouldn’t go in this direction but it seems like there really will be tiers/significant differences among the family heads

Blossom (at least on paper) shits on them

If she really is weaker than the Arie, Khun, and Ha leaders then the gap between them and Traum/Gustang will be massive

Dunno how I feel about them being that far apart but it seems like that’s what we’re in for

 

[Shadowlord123]

I really wanna say they win, but as far as we've been shown, it's just despair for the duo.

Gustang plainly gets shit on real bad. He probably won't be capable of using the flame against Blossom; not that it would even matter if he could. And without it, he's well below Traumerei. Just a little spark of the flame >> anything he's showcased. By his own admision, his imagination gets burnt by the fire. So that's it. He just gets low diffed I'm afraid, at least until he shows something that implies otherwise.

Traumerei wouldn't fare much better either. The little spark was overpowering his 3D Disconnection, forcing him on the defensive and fighting to stall (even then it didn't look like he was capable of holding on for long). The match-up is terrible, and the full flame would just shit on him. Low Diff as well, maybe on the upper end of it at best.

Blossom probably Mid Diffs both at once, at least until they show something that makes me think otherwise (I'm hoping they do; Traum still needs to absorb Leviathan, and Gustang might be able to absorb the powers/abilities of his Scriptures + might not have shown absolutely everything yet).

Writing this message hurt my soul, since I was a big defender of the FHs, Zahard and Urek having some degree of comparability (even if they weren't exactly equal).

 

[NAMELESS]

--Going by recent developments in the latest chapter, Gustang used a spark of blossom's flames to dominate traumerei and almost beat him using it.

--Her flames are said to be much stronger than the spark Gustang used against traum.

--So can blossom beat both Gustang and Traumerei at same time?

Thoughts?

@Shadowlord123 @Greenbeard @NAMELESS @Welkin @Cinera @Worst @Cadis Etrama Di Urek @Minatoze Narutomaki @Ha Yuri Zahard @Flower @Tai long @Haoshoku @Marimo_420 @Medeia @LogicoftheVI etc

Yeah, i think she does. We were told there is massive difference in strength between each and everyone in the top of the rankings.

 

[Welkin]

Writing this message hurt my soul, since I was a big defender of the FHs, Zahard and Urek having some degree of comparability (even if they weren't exactly equal).

I think it’s cause it just feels wrong for the gaps between them to be this big

Especially now that we know the Family Heads can be killed by their peers

So hypothetically speaking if Blossom got pissed off and felt like offing Traumerei along with his entire family there’s literally nothing he can do unless one of the stronger Family Heads steps in (similar to what Urek just did)

He gets shit on

Just doesn’t feel right to me

 

[MonsterKaido]

I think it’s cause it just feels wrong for the gaps between them to be this big

Especially now that we know the Family Heads can be killed by their peers

So hypothetically speaking if Blossom got pissed off and felt like offing Traumerei along with his entire family there’s literally nothing he can do unless one of the stronger Family Heads steps in (similar to what Urek just did)

He gets shit on

Just doesn’t feel right to me

And this may apply to reagents also. Like hon family or khun family's reagents may destroy dumas completely. I understand why arie hon said that only Khun and Ha family compare to them.

 

[Welkin]

And this may apply to reagents also. Like hon family or khun family's reagents may destroy dumas completely. I understand why arie hon said that only Khun and Ha family compare to them.

Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case

Power cliffing strikes again!

 

[Shadowlord123]

I think it’s cause it just feels wrong for the gaps between them to be this big

Especially now that we know the Family Heads can be killed by their peers

So hypothetically speaking if Blossom got pissed off and felt like offing Traumerei along with his entire family there’s literally nothing he can do unless one of the stronger Family Heads steps in (similar to what Urek just did)

He gets shit on

Just doesn’t feel right to me

I'm still holding on to see how SIU will portray Urek in comparison to Traumerei and Gustang in the following chapters, but yeah, it's looking very rough right now. Just a nameless punch from him was able to clean the vicinity from all their powers.

 

[Welkin]

I'm still holding on to see how SIU will portray Urek in comparison to Traumerei and Gustang in the following chapters, but yeah, it's looking very rough right now. Just a nameless punch from him was able to clean the vicinity from all their powers.

If Urek can stomp them with less than his full powers then it gasses Luslec, no?

Now that we know the gaps are significant it might not be a reach to say Luslec can hold his own against some of the weaker Family Heads

Thoughts?

 

[Shadowlord123]

If Urek can stomp them with less than his full powers then it gasses Luslec, no?

Now that we know the gaps are significant it might not be a reach to say Luslec can hold his own against some of the weaker Family Heads

Thoughts?

I still have a hard time picturing the author who made Luslec job to the Cobra making current Luslec the peer of full power Traumerei. Sure, he's on a different level now, but I still don't bet on it.

Though I would be lying if I said this isn't a bit more likely with the latest chapter.

 

[Welkin]

I still have a hard time picturing the author who made Luslec job to the Cobra making current Luslec the peer of full power Traumerei. Sure, he's on a different level now, but I still don't bet on it.

Though I would be lying if I said this isn't a bit more likely with the latest chapter.

I think it’ll be explained along with his new scar/eye

In the flashback he looked normal

Wouldn’t be surprised if he took like a “piece” of Arlene’s power before she left the Tower

If Blossom can give Gustang a piece of her flame then I don’t see why Arlene couldn’t do the same thing for Luslec

They share the same name so I’m assuming there’s a lot of trust there

Would also explain how he went from dual wielding knives to a (currently) unparalleled spellcaster

 

[MonsterKaido]

I think it’ll be explained along with his new scar/eye

In the flashback he looked normal

Wouldn’t be surprised if he took like a “piece” of Arlene’s power before she left the Tower

If Blossom can give Gustang a piece of her flame then I don’t see why Arlene couldn’t do the same thing for Luslec

They share the same name so I’m assuming there’s a lot of trust there

Would also explain how he went from dual wielding knives to a (currently) unparalleled spellcaster

I hope we get to see luslec doing something next chapter for clarification.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I think it’ll be explained along with his new scar/eye

In the flashback he looked normal

Wouldn’t be surprised if he took like a “piece” of Arlene’s power before she left the Tower

If Blossom can give Gustang a piece of her flame then I don’t see why Arlene couldn’t do the same thing for Luslec

They share the same name so I’m assuming there’s a lot of trust there

Would also explain how he went from dual wielding knives to a (currently) unparalleled spellcaster

Yeah, I do agree Arlene has something to do with it.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

--Going by recent developments in the latest chapter, Gustang used a spark of blossom's flames to dominate traumerei and almost beat him using it.

--Her flames are said to be much stronger than the spark Gustang used against traum.

--So can blossom beat both Gustang and Traumerei at same time?

Thoughts?

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no, I don't think she can beat them both, I do believe Blossom is closer to the Top 3 FHs compared to the Weakest FHs, but I think Gustang+Traumiri together are srtonger than Blossom,
Reason being that the Flame she gave Gustang obviously has to be a very unique and special technique of Blossom even if its weaker, it doesn't make sense to give Gustang a normal/weak gift and tell him to use it to protect his loved ones, it has to be a very powerful and special technique of Blossom, like we could say Traumiri Giving Valhalla to someone
and yes, if she faces both Gustang and Traumiri, even though her flame will be stronger, but so will be the defensive capabilities of Gustang and Traumiri combined, not to mention their offensive ones

 

[MonsterKaido]

no, I don't think she can beat them both, I do believe Blossom is closer to the Top 3 FHs compared to the Weakest FHs, but I think Gustang+Traumiri together are srtonger than Blossom,
Reason being that the Flame she gave Gustang obviously has to be a very unique and special technique of Blossom even if its weaker, it doesn't make sense to give Gustang a normal/weak gift and tell him to use it to protect his loved ones, it has to be a very powerful and special technique of Blossom, like we could say Traumiri Giving Valhalla to someone
and yes, if she faces both Gustang and Traumiri, even though her flame will be stronger, but so will be the defensive capabilities of Gustang and Traumiri combined, not to mention their offensive ones

I mean even a time spark was overwhelming Traumerei. Gustang himself hasn't shown anything on that level.

Don't see what they are suppose to do against her. Her flames are much superior to the small spark.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

I mean even a time spark was overwhelming Traumerei. Gustang himself hasn't shown anything on that level.

Don't see what they are suppose to do against her. Her flames are much superior to the small spark.

let's say Blossom is an ocean of 100% flames,
10% of that ocean is a special type/technique/move of flame
out of that 10%, she gave 1% to Gustang
the 1% that Gustang has is now with ~70% intensity/power as what Blossom's version could have
now that 70% of power, for it to work against traumiri, Gustang had to first weaken Traumiri's defenses with his own attacks
....
now lets say Blossom is there, it's like 10 times quantity of that flame with 100% intensity, she would break their single defenses, but together they are stronger
(for me that is)

 

[MonsterKaido]

let's say Blossom is an ocean of 100% flames,
10% of that ocean is a special type/technique/move of flame
out of that 10%, she gave 1% to Gustang
the 1% that Gustang has is now with ~70% intensity/power as what Blossom's version could have
now that 70% of power, for it to work against traumiri, Gustang had to first weaken Traumiri's defenses with his own attacks
....
now lets say Blossom is there, it's like 10 times quantity of that flame with 100% intensity, she would break their single defenses, but together they are stronger
(for me that is)

I mean the only thing traum can do is stall the spark attack for 5 minutes. I won't be surprised if Eurasia's flames immediately dominate both.

And she would have other abilities also.

I do think she can beat both.

 

[Worst]

She smokes both of them no doubt.....

In the case of Traumerei it's probably a no diff her flame as stated by him it's a HARD counter to his hax, if a small spark is enough to take him out then there is no reason to doubt that the real deal is 100% smoking him without effort......
In the case of Gustang i believe it was stated that he was jealous because Blossom was better than him, if her flame it's not a hard counter then he might hold a bit more than Traumerei so from no diff to low / mid diff probably, cuz her flame doesn't just bypass his hax

It feels indeed weird that another FH can no diff / low diff another but tbh we only had the expectations of them being all somewhat equal based on nothing, also we're just seeing 2 of them going basically all out if the others were indeed more or less equal to Traum / Gustang where would the hype be to see the next ones ? Same power level just different special effects.....

If the gap wasn't so big Gustang could've challenged Zahard directly so it makes sense that there is gaps even among them for the sake of keeping the hype high, like doesn't this makes you even more hyped to see Hon / Zahard going all out now ? ( though in case of Traum it's specifically a hard counter to his shinsoo quality like what are you gonna do about it ? )

 

[MonsterKaido]

She smokes both of them no doubt.....

In the case of Traumerei it's probably a no diff her flame as stated by him it's a HARD counter to his hax, if a small spark is enough to take him out then there is no reason to doubt that the real deal is 100% smoking him without effort......
In the case of Gustang i believe it was stated that he was jealous because Blossom was better than him, if her flame it's not a hard counter then he might hold a bit more than Traumerei so from no diff to low / mid diff probably, cuz her flame doesn't just bypass his hax

It feels indeed weird that another FH can no diff / low diff another but tbh we only had the expectations of them being all somewhat equal based on nothing, also we're just seeing 2 of them going basically all out if the others were indeed more or less equal to Traum / Gustang where would the hype be to see the next ones ? Same power level just different special effects.....

If the gap wasn't so big Gustang could've challenged Zahard directly so it makes sense that there is gaps even among them for the sake of keeping the hype high, like doesn't this makes you even more hyped to see Hon / Zahard going all out now ? ( though in case of Traum it's specifically a hard counter to his shinsoo quality like what are you gonna do about it ? )

I am most hyped to see goat Eduan in action. Man will be a menace.

 

[Shadowlord123]

This is kinda wishful thinking, but I think both Gustang and Traumerei can still fight on a much higher level.

I think Baam vs Dumas was a micro-tease of what all-out Traumerei vs Gustang can be. If Traumerei absorbs Leviathan, he might be capable of doing a full-body transformation with it (similar to what Baam did but with all his body).

As for Gustang, he was already stated to have all the abilities of the Head Librarians but on a much higher level. He should have something from Dumas, which I'd guess to be the pink form (going from Dumas, it's a huge boost).

At any rate, I think there are still ways for the implied gap in this chapter to be shortened a lot. We'll probably get a final answer with the way they're portrayed against Urek. I hope my agenda doesn't get completely disintegrated by then (holding on for dear life right now lol).