Controversial What happens to people when they die?

[Blax Blah]

You go back to not existing.
Its no big deal though. You already not existed before and it did not bother you.

Life is only good and valuable because it can end.

Why do you say life is only good and valueable because it can end?,

 

[trav]

Why do you say life is only good and valueable because it can end?

Think of the alternative and you will see what I mean.
If life does not end and you live for eternity everything that can possibly happen to you will eventually happen. Again and again. No single action has meaning. You will be stuck in an existence that holds no pleasures or wonders anymore with no way to escape it. Forever.
That is truely terrifying.

 

[Blax Blah]

Think of the alternative and you will see what I mean.
If life does not end and you live for eternity everything that can possibly happen to you will eventually happen. Again and again. No single action has meaning. You will be stuck in an existence that holds no pleasures or wonders anymore with no way to escape it. Forever.
That is truely terrifying.

I don't think that's true, different things have different probabilities, and that also assumes that there is a non-infinite amount of things to do, why do you say that?

 

[trav]

and that also assumes that there is a non-infinite amount of things to do

Incorrect.
It seems like you do not understand what eternity means.

 

[Blax Blah]

Incorrect.
It seems like you do not understand what eternity means.

I think I ubderstand that eternity means forver, but I think you assume there is a non-infinite list of things to do, because you say that that existence will hold no pleasures or wonders, as if those were limited and not infinite, and I disagree with the idea of that everything that can possibly happen, would happen, over an infinite amount of time, because I can always chose not to do something, and if I chose not to do something forever, then me doing that will not happen,

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Idk, I guess they stop living

A friend of mine died recently. We weren’t too close or anything. In fact I only knew her for little over a month. But she was still my friend. So I’ve just been thinking about it the past week.

What happens when people die?

I saw my friend the day before it happened. She seemed normal. Then I came to learn she offed herself the next day. Went to the funeral today. It was a Jewish funeral and in the customs, after the coffin is lowered into the ground, the mourners have a chance to shovel some dirt onto it. The rabbi said it was the last mitzvah we can do for them.

I don’t know if I really believe in an afterlife. It’s not impossible that we could reincarnate or that heaven and hell are real. But I just don’t think we get afterlives in any meaningful sense. All that we are is our body. Our brain, our memories, are physical appearance, senses, abilities, and characteristics, that is all we are.

Could the soul exist? It’s possible. But if it does exist then it would need to be something entirely different from the brain. And almost all of what constitutes our sense of self comes from the body and the brain.

I keep thinking about what happened to my friend. Where she is right now. I think she’s in the dirt, where we laid her to rest this morning. I think whatever constituted who my friend was, was destroyed when she killed herself. Her mind, her body, all she was and ever will be. All that was left was the remains, which we buried in a box in the ground.

I think that’s okay. It’s fine if that’s all there is. She had a tough life, she struggled, now it’s over. The older I get the more people I will know who have died until one day, death comes from me. Then I will experience the same thing my friend did, the same thing my grandparents did, the same thing everyone does. That gives me comfort.

I think the only meaningful afterlife we get is in the hearts of the people we affect. Hence I think I’ll do my best to keep my friend’s memory alive, even if I didn’t know her for too long. Then one day when I die, I can hope others will do the same for me.

I think I’ll do some volunteer anti suicide work. My friend was also British. Might visit Britain one day, perhaps also learn to cook British food. I heard she loved beans on toast. That sounds disgusting, but I think I’ll try it. For her sake.

I don't believe that the conciousness ceases to exist in the moment of death.

Who had near death experience always report things like "reality seemed more real" or "I felt that reality and I were the same thing". Also, in these experience, a lot of people say they never felt so happy. NDE is like the hard version of Hallucinogens.

There were NDE that a materialist explanation can't answer. Like a blind born woman, with a physically damaged optic nerve, having visual experience during NDE.

 

[trav]

and I disagree with the idea of that everything that can possibly happen, would happen, over an infinite amount of time

Fair enough.
You will still get tired of any possible response that a human body is capable of experiencing.
Tired or bored are not really the right word for it.
Nothing you will be able to experience or have experienced in the past will be special of meaningful.
There is no good anymore, no bad. There is just nothing.

Who had near death

Which is not death. What these people experienced was oxygen depravation of their brain. Your system is shutting down you will get one last slick dream.

having visual experience

There are very simple answers to this. See above.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't believe that the conciousness ceases to exist in the moment of death.

Who had near death experience always report things like "reality seemed more real" or "I felt that reality and I were the same thing". Also, in these experience, a lot of people say they never felt so happy. NDE is like the hard version of Hallucinogens.

There were NDE that a materialist explanation can't answer. Like a blind born woman, with a physically damaged optic nerve, having visual experience during NDE.

They think its a product of DMT,but this was also proved false cause there was a doctor born without the brain part that produces dmt and he reported all the classic things associated with NDE. Don't ask me for his name cause i don't remember lol
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Fair enough.
You will still get tired of any possible response that a human body is capable of experiencing.
Tired or bored are not really the right word for it.
Nothing you will be able to experience or have experienced in the past will be special of meaningful.
There is no good anymore, no bad. There is just nothing.

Which is not death. What these people experienced was oxygen depravation of their brain. Your system is shutting down you will get one last slick dream.

There are very simple answers to this. See above.

I see, seeing your body on the surgery table,the hospital staff,multiples rooms,remembering everything so vividly and scaring the doctors with the accuracy of the description is a hell of side effect of oxygen depreviation.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Fair enough.
You will still get tired of any possible response that a human body is capable of experiencing.
Tired or bored are not really the right word for it.
Nothing you will be able to experience or have experienced in the past will be special of meaningful.
There is no good anymore, no bad. There is just nothing.

Which is not death. What these people experienced was oxygen depravation of their brain. Your system is shutting down you will get one last slick dream.

There are very simple answers to this. See above.

How a born blind person, with damaged optic nerve, will have visual experience of the room that person was in the moment of NDE? People who studied this case and of the others nde cases of blind people believe that its not hallucination.

https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799333/m2/1/high_res_d/vol16-no2-101.pdf
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They think its a product of DMT,but this was also proved false cause there was a doctor born without the brain part that produces dmt and he reported all the classic things associated with NDE. Don't ask me for his name cause i don't remember lol

I have a strong belief that no materialist account can answer some NDE cases. Even if we wait 100 years of study of neuroscience.

 

[NicoRobinIsQueen]

I think it’s basically (not religious or anything) I think it’s just that you wake up, there are three options, there is this world like earth but better, where you’ll have a guide who is modeled like someone you loved in the real world but their not human, it’s a sort of angel type entity. This guide will follow you around this afterlife and give you comfort and care and guidance until yours sent back into this world as a human again. The other option could be the same world, but everything is dark, cold, all alone, rainy, silent, and there is no chance at starting again or ever starting again. But before you get your afterlife you play a game against one of the judges who are a group of people who will choose if you can go to the good or bad world. It doesn’t matter if you beat them, if you make them happy or impressed or sympathetic then you get sent to the good world, and if you don’t it’s the bad one. The third option though is you become one of the judges, a ghosty judge with no soul

 

[NAMELESS]

I think it’s basically (not religious or anything) I think it’s just that you wake up, there are three options, there is this world like earth but better, where you’ll have a guide who is modeled like someone you loved in the real world but their not human, it’s a sort of angel type entity. This guide will follow you around this afterlife and give you comfort and care and guidance until yours sent back into this world as a human again. The other option could be the same world, but everything is dark, cold, all alone, rainy, silent, and there is no chance at starting again or ever starting again. But before you get your afterlife you play a game against one of the judges who are a group of people who will choose if you can go to the good or bad world. It doesn’t matter if you beat them, if you make them happy or impressed or sympathetic then you get sent to the good world, and if you don’t it’s the bad one. The third option though is you become one of the judges, a ghosty judge with no soul

bruh what? Like in Death Parade?

 

[NicoRobinIsQueen]

bruh what? Like in Death Parade?

Maybe (I really have no thoughts about it just thought that would be could or something, and death parade is fire)

 

[Logiko]

I have a strong belief that no materialist account can answer some NDE cases. Even if we wait 100 years of study of neuroscience.

You really shouldn't underestimate the brain. It can do VERY WEIRD stuff.

 

[Blax Blah]

Fair enough.
You will still get tired of any possible response that a human body is capable of experiencing.
Tired or bored are not really the right word for it.
Nothing you will be able to experience or have experienced in the past will be special of meaningful.
There is no good anymore, no bad. There is just nothing.

Which is not death. What these people experienced was oxygen depravation of their brain. Your system is shutting down you will get one last slick dream.

There are very simple answers to this. See above.

Hey, everyone in this thread that sees this, may I explain, my understanding of it, assuming I didn't come to a false conclusion, of the idea from the Bible of being born again? That may shine more light on this,

 

[trav]

How a born blind person, with damaged optic nerve, will have visual experience of the room that person was in the moment of NDE?

Your brain is still capable of generating images. The rest is obviously baloney.
Post a single provable instance of this happening. Or save yourself the trouble because you can not find it anyways.

"You think someone would just go on the internet and lie?"
Yes.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Your brain is still capable of generating images

The brain of congenitally blind people would still be able to generate images? On what basis you are saying this?

And what specifically is the baloney?