Controversial General Political Discussion

[Blax Blah]

I think the dissolution of Israel is an impractical goal and pro Palestine people need to stop pushing for it.

Ultimately any long term peace solution in the Middle East requires the support of both parties, and almost no Israelis would support dissolving the state.

Also while I don’t think anti-zionism is inherently antisemitism, I do think that the pursuit of anti-Zionist goals inevitably leads to antisemitism. You are essentially forced to take actors like Iran and its proxies as allies. While also putting yourself at odds with the vast majority of the Jewish community.
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I think the two state solution is really the only way forward because it’s the only thing you have significant Jewish/israeli support for.

There are obviously immense challenges with this. Netanyahu clearly doesn’t want to give the Palestinians a state.

But I feel like it’s in the realm of possibility.

Right now “From the river to the sea” just feels like if one were to try to elect a black man as president when slavery was still legal.

idk how you go from genocide to coexistence. It seems frankly impossible.

I disagree with the idea that if you are anti-zionist ideology then you have to take the state of Iran as an ally, there are so many socialists and communists that do not take the state of China or the state of Cuba as allies, but in that discussion, even as enemies, and same with there being other socialist territories that hold those two states as enemies,
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Sheol is Jewish purgatory

Oh alrighty, I think it also reffers to the bottomless pit,

 

[NikaInParis]

The situation in Gaza doesn't look good at all.

There has been reports of the IDF using white phosphorus on a town named Kafr Shuba. This is a weapon banned from use by the Geneva Convention.

They have been using white phosphorus since last year. Geneva Conventions are more like Geneva Don't-Mind-Them for some countries

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I disagree with the idea that if you are anti-zionist ideology then you have to take the state of Iran as an ally, there are so many socialists and communists that do not take the state of China or the state of Cuba as allies, but in that discussion, even as enemies, and same with there being other socialist territories that hold those two states as enemies,

An individual antizionist might not support Iran, but the movement as a whole does further the Iranian agenda.

This is a big reason why something like BDS will never gain traction. Why the west always supports Israel no matter what. Because radically opposing Israel benefits nations hostile to the west.
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Perhaps it would be good to be at peace with the Ayatollah. But that’s not the world we live in and hence we need to work within our current frameworks to get anything accomplished.

 

[Blax Blah]

An individual antizionist might not support Iran, but the movement as a whole does further the Iranian agenda.

This is a big reason why something like BDS will never gain traction. Why the west always supports Israel no matter what. Because radically opposing Israel benefits nations hostile to the west.
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Perhaps it would be good to be at peace with the Ayatollah. But that’s not the world we live in and hence we need to work within our current frameworks to get anything accomplished.

What is BDS?

And I think it depends, the enemy of your enemy isn't necesarilly your friend, like for example say some socialism starts to rule united states, you could say, overthrowing the state of the united states is in the state of China's interest, but when you look at the specifics, that situation is not in the state of China's interest, since it is still against the state of China, same with anti-zionism, maybe being against the state of Israel helps the state of Iran, but in the situation of the anti-zionist movement, that depends on if the people within it are against the state of Iran or not, and if their proposals benefit the state of Iran or not,

 

[Rej]

Friendly reminder that if you vote for Trump, you'd be throwing europe and south korea away towards russia and northkorea.

No more south korean kpop for you kpop fans.
More stalinistic music for you guys.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What is BDS?

And I think it depends, the enemy of your enemy isn't necesarilly your friend, like for example say some socialism starts to rule united states, you could say, overthrowing the state of the united states is in the state of China's interest, but when you look at the specifics, that situation is not in the state of China's interest, since it is still against the state of China, same with anti-zionism, maybe being against the state of Israel helps the state of Iran, but in the situation of the anti-zionist movement, that depends on if the people within it are against the state of Iran or not, and if their proposals benefit the state of Iran or not,

BDS is a movement to try to dismantle Israel via boycotts, divestment, and sanctions.

They do have more short term goals of ending the war and ending the occupation that I am sympathetic with.

But in regards to specifically dismantling Israel, it’s a lost cause. There are numerous layers behind Western support for Israel. Dismantling Israel would necessitate a complete overhaul in the nature and operations of the west. It would need something like a communist revolution.

 

[Rej]

"Let's boycott one of the 4 most powerful nations in the world."

That nation will boycott you. Also I can only sadly speak from a german point of view.

What Israel is doing is step by step, strategically removing an ally of russia for us europeans. Which I appreciate alot. Sadly I must say that their ethnical methods are as evil as most other powerful nations. I don't support it, but as european we are fighting for our independence.

I just hope the war could stop everywhere and there would be no need to eliminate threats.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

So here in Italy a cop kills an immigrant who had already stabbed another cop and was lunging at them, after two days the European Council says that the Italian police is racist.

An individual antizionist might not support Iran, but the movement as a whole does further the Iranian agenda.

This is a big reason why something like BDS will never gain traction. Why the west always supports Israel no matter what. Because radically opposing Israel benefits nations hostile to the west.
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Perhaps it would be good to be at peace with the Ayatollah. But that’s not the world we live in and hence we need to work within our current frameworks to get anything accomplished.

You don't have to like Iran to be against the zionist cunts, nor does any movement.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You don't have to like Iran to be against the zionist cunts, nor does any movement.

a major reason America supports Israel is because they’re an ally against Iran

Israel is a tool of American hegemony in the Middle East. Which is why a pro BDS candidate will NEVER win the presidency.

This year Americans have the privilege of choosing between a candidate who supports moderate genocide vs one that supports super genocide.
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America being a democracy is a lie. In truth the American machine is something far beyond the average American’s control.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

a major reason America supports Israel is because they’re an ally against Iran

Israel is a tool of American hegemony in the Middle East. Which is why a pro BDS candidate will NEVER win the presidency.

This year Americans have the privilege of choosing between a candidate who supports moderate genocide vs one that supports super genocide.
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America being a democracy is a lie. In truth the American machine is something far beyond the average American’s control.

Another reason, perhaps even more important, is that America and the West are both controlled by Zionists who see everyone else as animals and that land as their property by divine right.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Another reason, perhaps even more important, is that America and the West are both controlled by Zionists who see everyone else as animals and that land as their property by divine right.

Okay I didn’t want to say anything before, because I don’t like throwing around this accusation.

But you are for real being antisemitic with this one. You are using the word “Zionist” as a replacement for Jews.

 

[NikaInParis]

Okay I didn’t want to say anything before, because I don’t like throwing around this accusation.

But you are for real being antisemitic with this one. You are using the word “Zionist” as a replacement for Jews.

No he isn't, a Zionist lobby existing and being in power in America is not even a secret nor a conspiracy theory.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Okay I didn’t want to say anything before, because I don’t like throwing around this accusation.

But you are for real being antisemitic with this one. You are using the word “Zionist” as a replacement for Jews.

Says who? There are plenty of Jews who dislike Zionists like me.

 

[NAMELESS]

Okay I didn’t want to say anything before, because I don’t like throwing around this accusation.

But you are for real being antisemitic with this one. You are using the word “Zionist” as a replacement for Jews.

I remember you calling me anti-semit for criticizing the likes of Soros and the Rothschild. I guess you don't like people calling out when a jew does something horrible.
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Friendly reminder that if you vote for Trump, you'd be throwing europe and south korea away towards russia and northkorea.

No more south korean kpop for you kpop fans.
More stalinistic music for you guys.

Trump is definitively not pro Russia and North Korea. Its Biden and the democrats that have an ideological affinity to authoritarian communist nations.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

. I guess you don't like people calling out when a jew does something horrible.

No idc about that but the Soros/Rothschild stuff is a far right dogwhistle.

it’s okay not to like them. I doubt any billionaire is a good person. But the alt right is obsessed with these specific billionaires alone and give guys like Elon and Trump a pass.

They aren’t opposed to billionaires in principle, they just specifically use Jewish billionaires are scapegoats.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

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[Monkey D Theories]

Says who? There are plenty of Jews who dislike Zionists like me.

It’s not about merely disliking zionism

Another reason, perhaps even more important, is that America and the West are both controlled by Zionists who see everyone else as animals and that land as their property by divine right.

The Zionists who see Palestine as their divine right aren’t merely Christian/agnostic Zionists, they are specifically Jewish Zionists.

You are saying Jews control America/the west, which is an antisemitic trope

 

[NAMELESS]

No idc about that but the Soros/Rothschild stuff is a far right dogwhistle.

BULLSHIT! Soros finances every fucking crazy extreme left wing movement you can imagine. Rothschilds are notorious for financing wars.
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You are saying Jews control America/the west, which is an antisemitic trope

So, some sects of Judaism are beyond criticism now? Get real.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

BULLSHIT! Soros finances every fucking crazy extreme left wing movement you can imagine. Rothschilds are notorious for financing wars.

like I said. I don’t believe they are good people.

But there’s a reason why the left criticizes all billionaires whereas the far right only cares about a handful of specifically Jewish billionaires while turning a blind eye to billionaires that support their interests.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

It’s not about merely disliking zionism



The Zionists who see Palestine as their divine right aren’t merely Christian/agnostic Zionists, they are specifically Jewish Zionists.

You are saying Jews control America/the west, which is an antisemitic trope

Says who? Not all Jews control America, nor I dislike all Jews. You sure like throwing around this meaningless accusation.