Volume 110 - Discussion Thread (November 1st, 2024)

Continuing the trend of statements by Oda being disregarded or exaggerated for yonko agenda. How many so far?

1. Garp meant the balance of 6 powers despite him saying 3
2. Chinjao mentioning yonko and admiral in the same breath doesn't count
3. Luffy mentioning yonko and admiral in the same breath doesn't count
4. Being stated 3 times in a single chapter that Admirals are terrain restricted doesn't count
5. Been stated since preskip that hesitation and wavering makes one weak doesn't count

Anything I'm missing?
Yeah same level :
Hqlf serious Luffy dominates half serious Kizaru and serious Saturn
Sick dying WB beats Akainu in round 2 with 2 moves
GB admits inferiority to Kaido

same level Indeed
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It's the same song and dance with him, before G5 it was G4, before G4 it was G3. He always needs to cheat/dope to fight at his opponent's level. Luffy fans thought he was stronger than Doffy in Dressrosa, they thought he was stronger than Katakuri after WCI, they thought he was stronger than Kaidou after Wano.

But there's no doubt his haki mastery has changed that, or atleast should have changed that. He's still a top tier outside of G5 thanks to his feats and portrayal against Kaidou, Kizaru is just Luffy's worst nightmare since he is on a strict timelimit in his fastest state.
Tell me how Kizaru is above Luffy when he's not even above no advhaki Luffy
 
Yeah same level :
Hqlf serious Luffy dominates half serious Kizaru and serious Saturn
Sick dying WB beats Akainu in round 2 with 2 moves
GB admits inferiority to Kaido

same level Indeed
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Tell me how Kizaru is above Luffy when he's not even above no advhaki Luffy
Take some time out Ndule. This ain't your day.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Alright real talk.

Before I was permabanned from Naruto Forums for spreading gross amounts of truth, that Felix guy legit denied that Akainu blew holes in Whitebeard. Like, he denied that Akainu blew a third of Whitebeard’s head off lmfao. It wasn’t that he denied that Akainu low diffed Whitebeard or anything like that…like I posted Akainu blowing a hole in Whitebeard’s chest and blowing his head off and the guy still claimed that it never happened lol

Bro is like one of those suicide cultists that drank the koolaid lmfao

And @Seraphoenix aint much better tbh. Lol
 
Same level

Oda has a dying Yonko with no CoC, no adhaki beat Akainu

No wonder why he made Luffy not be serious vs Gorosei and Kizaru,

They can only match a yonko who plays around or can't use haki to the max
 

Uncle Van

Taxes Are a Sickness
Yeah same level :
Hqlf serious Luffy dominates half serious Kizaru and serious Saturn
Sick dying WB beats Akainu in round 2 with 2 moves
GB admits inferiority to Kaido

same level Indeed
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Tell me how Kizaru is above Luffy when he's not even above no advhaki Luffy
Don't really care about your low effort bait posts right now Nudle.
 

Kizaruber Eats

THE KIZARUBER EATS, THE KIZARUBER EATS IS REAL!
@Elder Lee Hung @Owl Ki @SakazOuki @AkainuTheGrimReaper @Dragon777

Since Oda is blatantly using movie characters played the character models for backstories, I took a deeper look at Akainu's model. So he's obviously modeled after Bunta Sugawara, but his personality and backstory is based off Bunta's character Shozo Hirono from Battles without Honor and Humanity.

Hirono was a yakuza who killed a swordsman to uphold his gang's rep and was sent to prison. He made plenty of brotherly oaths via sake cups(one of them Kizaru's character) and all was good. However, the conflict of the show is Hirono seeing his brothers betray and kill each other as time passed. Hirono himself was betrayed and sold out multiple times. It got to the point where Hirono denounced all brotherly ties and went solo on a revenge quest. At the end of the day, the only one he had left was Kizaru's character. Hirono's character was very loyal and headstrong, and hated guys who ran away or turned their backs on the family(sound familiar?).

In MF, Akainu killed a marine for desertion, mocked WB's make believe family, made Squadro betray WB and is very thorough. Sounds like Akainu himself was a criminal in his youth that got betrayed by his brothers, so he joined the Marines(at the same time as Kizaru don't forget) to eliminate scummy criminals to get justice.
This an AMAZING find holy shit! "Sake Cup Sakazuki" gets more ammunition! Well Sakazuki does mean Sake Cup ofc but still!



Akainus childhood picture says a lot and I can believe him being a bandit/criminal in his youth, maybe not by choice ofc and maybe he was saved and recruited by Garp and grew to idolise him too potentially? Given they both have a dog theme, are fist fighters and devoted to justice "absolutely" too? Oda set up that parallel with Garp wanting to kill Akainu too, which would be far more tragic and personal if what I'm saying is all true too ofc! But I'd love Zephyr to be canon too somehow and a great influence on Kuzan and Akainu at least too ideally...

This song feels so perfect for Akainu too!:


Akainu the true Cerberus/Hades of One Piece maybe even or Surtur especially! Although Blackbeard could be Cerberus/Hades too potentially ofc.

I just asked some AI about Akainu and Hades too:

It's an interesting question to consider whether Hades, the Greek god of the Underworld, fits Akainu's character in One Piece. While at first glance they might seem like a good match, there are some key differences that make this connection less solid than it appears:

Points in favor of the Hades comparison:

  • Ruthless and unforgiving: Both Hades and Akainu are known for their harsh and uncompromising nature. Hades rules the underworld with an iron fist, while Akainu adheres to "Absolute Justice," showing no mercy to those he deems criminals, even if it means sacrificing innocent lives.
  • Imposing presence: Hades is often depicted as a stern and powerful figure, inspiring fear and respect. Similarly, Akainu's magma powers and unwavering resolve make him an intimidating presence in the One Piece world.
  • Association with death: Hades is the god of the dead, and Akainu's magma fruit gives him the power to inflict fatal burns, essentially consigning his opponents to a fiery demise.
Points against the Hades comparison:

  • Lack of emotional detachment: While Hades is often portrayed as stern and unyielding, he is not necessarily devoid of emotions. He displays anger, love, and other emotions in various myths. Akainu, on the other hand, seems driven purely by his rigid sense of justice, with little room for emotional considerations.
  • Active vs. passive role: Hades is primarily concerned with maintaining order in the underworld and judging the dead. He rarely interferes in the affairs of the living. Akainu, in contrast, is an active force in the world, pursuing his "justice" with relentless zeal.
  • Moral ambiguity: Hades, while stern, is not inherently evil. He maintains balance in the cosmos by ruling the realm of the dead. Akainu's "Absolute Justice" is more morally ambiguous, as it often leads to morally questionable actions and collateral damage.
Overall:

While Akainu shares some traits with Hades, such as ruthlessness and an association with death, he lacks the emotional complexity and passive nature of the Greek god. Akainu's unwavering commitment to his own brand of justice, even at the cost of innocent lives, makes him a more complex and morally ambiguous figure than the god of the underworld.

Perhaps a better mythological comparison for Akainu could be found in figures like the Furies, who relentlessly pursue and punish the guilty, or even a fire deity like Vulcan, known for his destructive power and association with volcanoes. These figures better capture Akainu's fiery nature and his relentless pursuit of those he deems deserving of punishment.

There is so much potential with the Admirals, just like how amazing they have made the story so far as well as some other Marine characters ofc but I hope Oda doesn't drop the ball with them! I'm trying to have faith that somehow he will do them "Justice" truly by the end of the story.

:emohiyo:
 
I know what tune you'd be singing had it been Katakuri feigning defeat and feeding Goofy in the middle of their fight.

Sit this one out, Ndule.
I won't hype katakuri or kaido if their win or dominance is dud to getting beaten and dealing zero damage to Luffy ,not even dominating even with help

That's no W to hype

This is why I don't hype Doffy
He and Kizaru are the same : can't damage G4, can't do a thing to Luffy but loses badly or get overpowered ...all they can do is hope Luffy runs out of his gear
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Don't really care about your low effort bait posts right now Nudle.
Enjoy "kizaru same level as yonko cause he woke up and fed Luffy" hype
 
It's the same song and dance with him, before G5 it was G4, before G4 it was G3. He always needs to cheat/dope to fight at his opponent's level. Luffy fans thought he was stronger than Doffy in Dressrosa, they thought he was stronger than Katakuri after WCI, they thought he was stronger than Kaidou after Wano.

But there's no doubt his haki mastery has changed that, or atleast should have changed that. He's still a top tier outside of G5 thanks to his feats and portrayal against Kaidou, Kizaru is just Luffy's worst nightmare since he is on a strict timelimit in his fastest state.
The Katakuri thing is weird since it seemed like it was clearly shown they were equal at the end of WCI
 
@Elder Lee Hung @Owl Ki @SakazOuki @AkainuTheGrimReaper @Dragon777

Since Oda is blatantly using movie characters played the character models for backstories, I took a deeper look at Akainu's model. So he's obviously modeled after Bunta Sugawara, but his personality and backstory is based off Bunta's character Shozo Hirono from Battles without Honor and Humanity.

Hirono was a yakuza who killed a swordsman to uphold his gang's rep and was sent to prison. He made plenty of brotherly oaths via sake cups(one of them Kizaru's character) and all was good. However, the conflict of the show is Hirono seeing his brothers betray and kill each other as time passed. Hirono himself was betrayed and sold out multiple times. It got to the point where Hirono denounced all brotherly ties and went solo on a revenge quest. At the end of the day, the only one he had left was Kizaru's character. Hirono's character was very loyal and headstrong, and hated guys who ran away or turned their backs on the family(sound familiar?).

In MF, Akainu killed a marine for desertion, mocked WB's make believe family, made Squadro betray WB and is very thorough. Sounds like Akainu himself was a criminal in his youth that got betrayed by his brothers, so he joined the Marines(at the same time as Kizaru don't forget) to eliminate scummy criminals to get justice.
We always speculate Sakazuki heading out to sea accompanied by 1 or 2 Admirals alongside a couple formidable Vice Admirals, but if he goes solo? That'd be next level badass
 
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