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[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

We'll know for sure when we see Loki I think, but yeah.

Tbh, of all this, ok the speed feat, but the biggest thing Is Kizaru tanking the second strongest move of G5, with AdvCoC, Speed/rotation and even muscle buff at the head and then be up shortly after.

We saw Kuzan too taking Garp's hits, but there was a time in which people said advCoC hits would have destoryed admirals. Yeah, the usual people, but still.

I mean, Kaido is Kaido and still spat vlood and got his ass and the ground for far less.

Eh, it's not THAT crazy, though.
We see crazy stuff like that from a good amount of top tiers, just to list some:
Kaido taking a wound up ACoA+ACoC punch from G5 straight to his head, then getting up a few seconds later.
A lot of other endurance feats from Kaido.
Big Mom taking a shockwave to her head then laughing it off and proceeding to keep fighting Kidd and Law for about a hour or two (while enduring even more shockwaves to her vitals as well as Kidd ramming her with metal bulls and what not).
Akainu withstanding two full power quake fists from a very pissed off Sickbeard (though he was pretty injured from it)
Blackbeard taking a point blank quake to the head from angry Sickbeard and getting up some seconds later without much trouble, even proceeding to take another shockwave from Full Zoan Sengoku minutes later and fighting him and Garp offscreen with his goons.
Blackbeard taking Shock Wille, coughing some blood, then proceeding to beat the shit out of Law afterwards.
Luffy taking multiple ACoA+ACoC moves from Kaido prior to awakening G5, and then once again enduring multiple ACoA+ACoC moves from him after awakening G5.
Etc.
When you think about all of that, you start to feel like Kizaru taking Star Gun without much serious damage isn't that big a deal. Again, it just means Luffy would have to consistently use that level of AP throughout the entire fight in order to beat him, which makes sense because he'd need to do that with basically every other top tier.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I don't think yonkos as a group are ever going to take L against admirals.

--WB was the WSM and matched roger in his prime. Oda needed him being old and sick to more or less even the playing field in marineford.

--Shanks is oda's fav character and self insert. His haki was compared to joyboy who most likely is WSM of all time and negated all gorosei's hax. Topman is someone who has even higher dura than Kaido

--Eos Luffy and Eos BB are going to be stronger than all admirals at the end being MC and Main villain of Eos

--Only Kaido and BM can be surpassed with Kaido still having superior feats. BM is the only one who took an L and high chance at least color admirals will be above her if they are not already above.

--Anyways Kaido is the only one who can be surpassed depending on future feats and awakenings. WB/Shanks/Eos BB/Eos luffy are safe.

 

[ZenZu]

I don't think yonkos as a group are ever going to take L against admirals.

--WB was the WSM and matched roger in his prime. Oda needed him being old and sick to more or less even the playing field in marineford.

--Shanks is oda's fav character and self insert. His haki was compared to joyboy who most likely is WSM of all time and negated all gorosei's hax. Topman is someone who has even higher dura than Kaido

--Eos Luffy and Eos BB are going to be stronger than all admirals at the end being MC and Main villain of Eos

--Only Kaido and BM can be surpassed with Kaido still having superior feats. BM is the only one who took an L and high chance at least color admirals will be above her if they are not already above.

--Anyways Kaido is the only one who can be surpassed depending on future feats and awakenings. WB/Shanks/Eos BB/Eos luffy are safe.

BB and Luffy are only Yonkou now. They won't necessarily represent Yonkou at EOS.

Just like current BB is not a representation of Warlords, EOS Teach does not have to rep Yonkou He was never intended to be locked into Yonkou status.

 

[Dragon777]

Eh, it's not THAT crazy, though.
We see crazy stuff like that from a good amount of top tiers, just to list some:
Kaido taking a wound up ACoA+ACoC punch from G5 straight to his head, then getting up a few seconds later.
A lot of other endurance feats from Kaido.
Big Mom taking a shockwave to her head then laughing it off and proceeding to keep fighting Kidd and Law for about a hour or two (while enduring even more shockwaves to her vitals as well as Kidd ramming her with metal bulls and what not).
Akainu withstanding two full power quake fists from a very pissed off Sickbeard (though he was pretty injured from it)
Blackbeard taking a point blank quake to the head from angry Sickbeard and getting up some seconds later without much trouble, even proceeding to take another shockwave from Full Zoan Sengoku minutes later and fighting him and Garp offscreen with his goons.
Blackbeard taking Shock Wille, coughing some blood, then proceeding to beat the shit out of Law afterwards.
Luffy taking multiple ACoA+ACoC moves from Kaido prior to awakening G5, and then once again enduring multiple ACoA+ACoC moves from him after awakening G5.
Etc.
When you think about all of that, you start to feel like Kizaru taking Star Gun without much serious damage isn't that big a deal. Again, it just means Luffy would have to consistently use that level of AP throughout the entire fight in order to beat him, which makes sense because he'd need to do that with basically every other top tier.

Sure, but Kaido and BM are monsters with the first even having a mythical zoan. Even taking him, the top of the top, he got scenes like these:

I don't disagree, but I mean, it's a very good feat imho.

I don't think yonkos as a group are ever going to take L against admirals.

--WB was the WSM and matched roger in his prime. Oda needed him being old and sick to more or less even the playing field in marineford.

--Shanks is oda's fav character and self insert. His haki was compared to joyboy who most likely is WSM of all time and negated all gorosei's hax. Topman is someone who has even higher dura than Kaido

--Eos Luffy and Eos BB are going to be stronger than all admirals at the end being MC and Main villain of Eos

--Only Kaido and BM can be surpassed with Kaido still having superior feats. BM is the only one who took an L and high chance at least color admirals will be above her if they are not already above.

--Anyways Kaido is the only one who can be surpassed depending on future feats and awakenings. WB/Shanks/Eos BB/Eos luffy are safe.

Depends.
I agree for the most part, but:

- EoS Luffy and BB are beyond the regular Yonkou, they will be anomalies just like prime WB was;

- imho, Akainu is final villain as much as BB, so him being at least above Shanks is in fact very likely;

- Aokij, being near Akainu, could be similar as well;

- Koby is a future admiral and will likely be Prime Garp level.

 

[MonsterKaido]

BB and Luffy are only Yonkou now. They won't necessarily represent Yonkou at EOS.

Just like current BB is not a representation of Warlords, EOS Teach does not have to rep Yonkou He was never intended to be locked into Yonkou status.

Well that is one way to look at it. Good chance BB gets defeated as a yonko though.

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Sure, but Kaido and BM are monsters with the first even having a mythical zoan. Even taking him, the top of the top, he got scenes like these:

I don't disagree, but I mean, it's a very good feat imho.



Depends.
I agree for the most part, but:

- EoS Luffy and BB are beyond the regular Yonkou, they will be anomalies just like prime WB was;

- imho, Akainu is final villain as much as BB, so him being at least above Shanks is in fact very likely;

- Aokij, being near Akainu, could be similar as well;

- Koby is a future admiral and will likely be Prime Garp level.

I missed koby lol. Woby is built different though.

Post automatically merged: Wednesday at 6:31 PM

And if we are including koby , then we also will need to look into future great pirates. For that matter given WB was a yonko , had roger not found one piece he would also be something like yonko assuming someone else finds one piece before him.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sure, but Kaido and BM are monsters with the first even having a mythical zoan. Even taking him, the top of the top, he got scenes like these:

I don't disagree, but I mean, it's a very good feat imho.



Depends.
I agree for the most part, but:

- EoS Luffy and BB are beyond the regular Yonkou, they will be anomalies just like prime WB was;

- imho, Akainu is final villain as much as BB, so him being at least above Shanks is in fact very likely;

- Aokij, being near Akainu, could be similar as well;

- Koby is a future admiral and will likely be Prime Garp level.

I'm well aware. I'm just saying it's not surprising for a top tier to have great endurance.
That alone will never secure the win for Kizaru. The only reason I'd have Kizaru winning is because of the G5 time limit, but it depends on whether or not Luffy can enter G5 again, and I think he could. But I've already talked about that multiple times so I won't repeat my self.

 

[BlackLegFring]

It is certainly a terrible look. Part of the reason I wasn’t fully onboard with Kizaru being the culprit who provided the food is just how bad that looks for Luffy.

Being pushed to your limit against an opponent that isn’t even targeting you…using one of your strongest attacks but unable to keep them down…then having that same opponent have to save you by feeding you. Just terrible. Oda treated Luffy poorly just after becoming a top tier.

It’s just made worse with Kizaru’s nonchalant attitude, and him not even using a supposed ultimate attack.

 

[Dragon777]

I missed koby lol. Woby is built different though.
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And if we are including koby , then we also will need to look into future great pirates. For that matter given WB was a yonko , had roger not found one piece he would also be something like yonko assuming someone else finds one piece before him.

Yeah, I understand. On the topic, Garp, while not being an Admiral in rank, was one in fact; Sengoku was another.

All this for what: I think the Marines have showed top tier on any level, even PK level; maybe one doesn't think they'll win the fight, that's fair, but they were there with the others.

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I'm well aware. I'm just saying it's not surprising for a top tier to have great endurance.
That alone will never secure the win for Kizaru. The only reason I'd have Kizaru winning is because of the G5 time limit, but it depends on whether or not Luffy can enter G5 again, and I think he could. But I've already talked about that multiple times so I won't repeat my self.

Anyway, Kizaru forte won't ever be endurance, that's for sure.

All the discussion was basically about people who though he was a glass cannon or that he would be KO after some CoC attack, when he showed to be able to took one of the strongest at the head and tank it while not being some natural born monster or having some mythical zoan boosting his physique.

 

[Embers Kaios]

Akainu-Scared to send Kizaru to fight Kaido and Big Mom and ragdolled by Old senile past his prime, prune juice drinking, soap oporah watching, death bed, nurding home ass Whitebeard

Kuzan-Sent flying by Marco multiple times, Jozu made him leak, Beaten and blitzed by old past his prime garp+couldn’t even kill him despite trying to, and underling of a Yonko…..

Kizaru-Out like a light after one ACoC based attack, Sent flying by Marco, Couldn’t defeat old man ray, Did negligible damage to Gear 5 Luffy WITH HELP! and Sanji repelled his mosst signiture attack while Franky tanked it, Sanji also tanked

Fujitora-Bruised up by Gear 3rd, Stalled a Sabo with barely any DF experience, Allowed Zoro to escape lol, Bandaged by Karasu

Greenbull-Almost killed by a toddler, Negligible CoO as Yamato almost KO’d him in a single blow, Has to sneak low HP opponents for a victory, Afraid of Shanks and Kaido, Wifi diffed

ATP I’m not even sure the Admirals are that much of a problem for even cross guild now

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah, I understand. On the topic, Garp, while not being an Admiral in rank, was one in fact; Sengoku was another.

All this for what: I think the Marines have showed top tier on any level, even PK level; maybe one doesn't think they'll win the fight, that's fair, but they were there with the others.

Post automatically merged: Wednesday at 6:39 PM

Anyway, Kizaru forte won't ever be endurance, that's for sure.

All the discussion was basically about people who though he was a glass cannon or that he would be KO after some CoC attack, when he showed to be able to took one of the strongest at the head and tank it while not being some natural born monster or having some mythical zoan boosting his physique.

And that is fine. I'm fine with you guys doing your usual thing where you mock Yonko fans for being wrong and talk about how powerful the Admirals are. But using this specifically to put him above Luffy is just dumb, because Luffy can always hit him with a move like that again and again until he goes down. That's literally how his fight with Kaido went and it's how most of his fights go. He almost never beats an actually strong opponent with just one good move, it takes multiple strong attacks for that.
It was and always will be a matter of time, if Luffy can't land enough of those hits before he gasses out completely, then he's cooked. But given his fight with Kaido on the roof top, I'm inclined to think he can indeed do that.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Shanks and Teach still mid diff any admiral

 

[Ven437]

Law return stocks have been great so far

 

[BlackLegFring]

Shanks and Teach still mid diff any admiral

That’s a hard sell when Blackbeard looked worse after fighting Law with help…compared to Kizaru after fighting, feeding, then fighting Luffy again

 

[hedera__helix]

Nope, people just gassed Luffy up for no reason when it was obvious he would have gotten mid diffed by Kaido at best in a clean 1v1.

His pathetic performance against Kizaru does not reflect badly on Shanks/Kaido.

 

[Shiroyru]

Shanks and Kaido are carrying the Lonko

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Shanks and Kaido are carrying the Lonko

So you think Luffy is below them?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

That’s a hard sell when Blackbeard looked worse after fighting Law with help…compared to Kizaru after fighting, feeding, then fighting Luffy again

Law and Kizaru have the same bounty

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Sure Kizaru is stronger, but they’re both closer to each other than they are to Teach

 

[Shiroyru]

So you think Luffy is below them?

Below who? Shanks and Kaido? Obviously

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Below who? Shanks and Kaido? Obviously

So y'all think he's below both the Yonko and the Admirals, even though nothing suggests this
Kind of disgusting how people will slander the MC like this, but it's pretty typical

 

[Shiroyru]

So y'all think he's below both the Yonko and the Admirals, even though nothing suggests this
Kind of disgusting how people will slander the MC like this, but it's pretty typical

He’s below every Yonko and Akainu. Above or equal to the Admirals