Current Events Marine bounties =/= Cross Guild bounties

[Garp the Fist]

I disagree with this, I think the weight of Roger’s title is more than Sakazuki’s.

I agree with this, FA is a big deal, but it’s not on the same level as PK, both to the characters in series and to the readers.

Also out of story, let’s step back for a bit and stop thinking about this logically in setting and examine it narratively instead.

Oda doesn’t decide bounties through a logical process, it’s just for comparison and hype at a point in the story (this is trivially provable since bounties at the start and current story have 0 consistency).

So why exactly did Oda introduce the reader to bounties for marines in the first place? It’s clearly for comparison/hype sake.

And given that’s the main point of bounties as a narrative tool, yes, it is insanely hype that Akainu has the highest bounty of anyone alive other than Dragon.

I can even agree with this approach. Is the FA bounty being so high meant to hype the readers? Yes. Can we use it to compare to other characters? Yes.

But then it falls down for me when we are then being asked to delve a little deeper for how the Admirals bounties compare to others and look beyond the surface number. If I do that for them, I have to do it for everyone else.

So I need to know what people want. Do they want us to just look on the face of it, and say bounty wise, FA > everyone bar the big two, so Akainu > everyone bar the big two? Cause if you are just looking in the face of it, to make this argument you have to give up the Admirals. And if you want to then make an argument as to why the Admirals bounty does not represent their strength, that has to be opened up to Akainu’s (and every other character) as well.

Bounty scaling just does not work for me, you either take it at face value which leads to nonsense, or you accept that it can be critiqued and isn’t really worth more than a bit of hype.

 

[JoNdule]

We've seein FAs vs Great Pirates
If you think CG 5B is worth the same strength wise as Roger/WB 5B bounty or even above og yonko 4B

You need to go see a doctor

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I agree with this, FA is a big deal, but it’s not on the same level as PK, both to the characters in series and to the readers.



I can even agree with this approach. Is the FA bounty being so high meant to hype the readers? Yes. Can we use it to compare to other characters? Yes.

But then it falls down for me when we are then being asked to delve a little deeper for how the Admirals bounties compare to others and look beyond the surface number. If I do that for them, I have to do it for everyone else.

So I need to know what people want. Do they want us to just look on the face of it, and say bounty wise, FA > everyone bar the big two, so Akainu > everyone bar the big two? Cause if you are just looking in the face of it, to make this argument you have to give up the Admirals. And if you want to then make an argument as to why the Admirals bounty does not represent their strength, that has to be opened up to Akainu’s (and every other character) as well.

Bounty scaling just does not work for me, you either take it at face value which leads to nonsense, or you accept that it can be critiqued and isn’t really worth more than a bit of hype.

But the admirals aren’t faction leaders like Akainu and the Yonko are. Them being in the 3B range doesn’t diminish them anymore than it diminishes other subordinate top tiers like Mihawk or Rayleigh/Gaban/Oden (all of whom I assume will be in that range).

So no, I don’t think you have to give up the admirals in order to use Akainu’s bounty for hype.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

ok ... that's bull carp ... if anything Buggy has a lower bounty than the entire fucking world government ...

5 Billion is reasonable for the fucking fleet admiral that is public enemy no.1 for pirate world

Yeah no It’s not like Cross guild is expecting random civilians to be able to take down Akainu…

 

[Red Admiral]

Yeah no It’s not like Cross guild is expecting random civilians to be able to take down Akainu…

either way ... this is a sick thing we keep doing

Oda : Makes an Statement
half of us : this Statement HYPES X
other half : this Statement Kills X's HYPE

let's give Akainu his god damn fucking win and deal with it ...

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

even above og yonko 4B

Well Akainu being stronger than fucking big mom is easy

The problem is that 5 billion is prime Whitebeard numbers and that’s where it’s getting too much

 

[JoNdule]

Well Akainu being stronger than fucking big mom is easy

The problem is that 5 billion is prime Whitebeard numbers and that’s where it’s getting too much

He's not stronger than Linlin

Don't confuse headcanons as facts
Akainu fought a dying Yonko 1v1 and ended up losing round 2 on 2 moves. He failed to KO a dying WB

Akainu would be worth 4.3B max if he was a pirate captain. In fact, maybe 4.1B max

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

He's not stronger than Linlin

Akainu wouldn’t lose to Law and kid

let's give Akainu his god damn fucking win and deal with it

Akainu can have his hype but the problem is that people will look at the 5B and then compare it to prime Whitebeard and there we have a problem

Oda is trying to say that Akainu significantly stronger than admirals and the recent Kizaru hype against Luffy also translates to Akainu hype but that’s all… Jumping from that to Prime Whitebeard is too much

Akainu isn’t Roger level… Oda cannot be implying that

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yoooo I just saw this


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[JoNdule]

Akainu wouldn’t lose to Law and kid



Akainu can have his hype but the problem is that people will look at the 5B and then compare it to prime Whitebeard and there we have a problem

Oda is trying to say that Akainu so significantly stronger than admirals and the recent Kizaru hype against Luffy also translates to Akainu hype but that’s all… Jumping from that to Prime Whitebeard is too much

Akainu isn’t Roger level… Oda cannot be implying that

Kid + Law will beat any admiral, actually KO them. They didn't KO BM. They never showed superiority via their attacks over BM.

Anyway,
Akainu isn't PK level.
There's no recent Kizaru hype...
If Luffy can handle kizaru and Saturn at once, Akainu being stronger than Kizaru doesn't mean much.

 

[Sentinel]

I guess Sabo will be > Yonko level too since he's apparently beating PK level Akainu since people wanted to push Sabo vs Akainu that much.

 

[JoNdule]

I guess Sabo will be > Yonko level too since he's apparently beating PK level Akainu since people wanted to push Sabo vs Akainu that much.

Sabo doesn't need to be pk level to beat someone who's yonko level

 

[Sentinel]

Sabo doesn't need to be pk level to beat someone who's yonko level

5B > 4.6B > 4.3B. Ok?

 

[Garp the Fist]

But the admirals aren’t faction leaders like Akainu and the Yonko are. Them being in the 3B range doesn’t diminish them anymore than it diminishes other subordinate top tiers like Mihawk or Rayleigh/Gaban/Oden (all of whom I assume will be in that range).

So no, I don’t think you have to give up the admirals in order to use Akainu’s bounty for hype.

So, again just for clarity, is your argument that there are essentially two groups.

Group A: PK FA, Yonko, Kid, Law, Dragon. Leaders of their group
Group B: Admirals, Mihawk, Ray, Commanders. The subordinates

We should compare people in A to people in A. We should compare B to B. We should not really compare A to B, as they hold different positions and their bounties are reflected in that?

I can agree with much of that.

Your other argument is that we should consider there to be a bit of a tier system. 5 billion > 4 billion > 3 billion (among their groups).

That’s where I start to fall back, because I think that a large part of what makes Group A’s bounties so incomparable to Group B’s is factors beyond individual strength. Take Akainu and Kaido. Both Group A, one a 5 bil tier, one a 4 bil, difference of 400 million between them.

Now, I don’t think we can just ignore that Akainu‘s subordinates, the Marines as whole, utterly dwarf the forces that Kaido can bring the bear. A top three match up alone of Admiral vs Calamity is a massacre. That’s surely worth 400 million berries at least

I’m not saying that Akainu is not a top tier, but I also cant say that being in the 5 billion club puts him above Kaido when their respective groups are obviously a factor.

And that’s just one example of why I don‘t overly rate any bounty argument, there‘s other than can be made for bounties for all sorts of characters.

 

[Shiroyru]

No I’m not sacrificing anything, the admirals are subordinates, they don’t get the same bonus.

Rayleigh and Scopper will likely be in the 3B camp as well since they are also top tiers subordinate to a captain in the 5B range.

I’m assuming the bounty is reflective of position. My point is that even with that assumption 5 Billion is fucking nuts

Each Admiral has command over a third of the Marines lol, they’re more than just strong fighters

 

[L57]

5B > 4.6B > 4.3B. Ok?

All weaker than mihawk

 

[Julius]

Nikkas calling Kuzan and Sakazuki equals when Kuzan lost a limb and had his life spared out of mercy.

If they were equals, Kuzan wouldn't have almost got killed.


When top tiers fight fair fights, you always hear about them being evenly matched, never that one lost a limb and almost got killed. Or that one had to bring food in lightspeed to the other so he could recover lol

And that happened years ago, during the timeskip if im not mistaken.

There are levels to this. Akainu is a different breed

 

[L57]

Nikkas calling Kuzan and Sakazuki equals when Kuzan lost a limb and had his life spared out of mercy.

If they were equals, Kuzan wouldn't have almost got killed.


When top tiers fight fair fights, you always hear about them being evenly matched, never that one lost a limb and almost got killed. Or that one had to bring food in lightspeed to the other so he could recover lol

And that happened years ago, during the timeskip if im not mistaken.

There are levels to this. Akainu is a different breex

So different that it still took 10 days?
If akainu was built different fight shouldve ended first hours

He barely beat kuzan with df advantage

 

[Julius]

So different that it still took 10 days?

Because top tiers battles are built like that

Kaido and Big Mom had a mere squirmish in Onigashima that lasted 3 days and we didn’t even see 10% of it

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He barely beat kuzan with df advantage

And thats just another headcanon like saying the Admirals are mere DF merchants.

Reality: Kuzan and Garp had the same physical strength training.

Imagine what Akainu can pull up.

 

[The White Crane]

Damn, Akainu and admirals as pirates would be at least 9 times higher
So that means 45 billion for Akainu and 27 billion for the average admiral

Admirals agenda reign supreme. Simply built different.