I'm making this thread, because some people are under the impression that Man'u performed better then Kanmei against Moubu, so I'm here to break it down and debunk that.
1. First let's look at the Moubu vs Man'u duel.
a) Man'u starts the duel incredibly well by knocking Moubu off his horse with his opening strike. Moubu however is not discouraged by this as he gets back on horse and continues the duel, altough still being on the back foot for some time and receiving several heavy strikes.
b) As Man'u begins to talk about releasing his burden Moubu gets more annoyed and it gives him a surge of strength. He slowly starts geting upper hand, eventually being able to knock Man'u off his horse himself.
c) The duel however ends ubruptly. Chu's HQ falls and Man'u decides to fall back. Moubu wants to chase after him, but Man'u gives him one more strong goodbye strike that discourages him from doing that.
It's worth pointing out that this doesn't mean Moubu was not in the condition to fight. His wounds are nowhere on the level he suffered against Kanmei and the fight ended rather quickly, so there's no doubt in my mind this is NOT Man'u's victory and Chu being forced to retreat could actually be the thing that saved Man'u's life.
2. Now let's move to the duel between Moubu and Kanmei. The fight has a three distinct stages: the early fight, mid fight and late fight.
a) The early fight was Kanmei completely dominating his opponent, sending Moubu flying with his horse and leaving a wound on his head. This continues for about a chapter.
b) Things start to change in the mid fight. Moubu decides to use his full strength and this is where he starts to hold his own on more or less equal footing, even being able to wound Kanmei slightly.
This however doesn't last long. When Kanmei's weight kicks in, he once again starts dominating, breaks Moubu's arm and knocks him unconcious for a moment. At this point even Moubu's own soldiers start to believe this is over for him. This feat alone is superior to anything Man'u shown onscreen.
c) The unconcious Moubu has a flashback to his conversation with Shouheikun. This gives him a new surge of strength and confidence. He is able to stand up, break Kanmei's arm and continue the duel, moving it to it's late stage. They continue their exchange until it's pointed out that both of them are close to their limit. At this point both generals are bleeding from multiple places, they start breathing heavily and their maces are cracking under the pressure. Eventully it's Kanmei's mace that gives up first.
The ending of the fight is also a bit sus, since Kanmei still has a secondary weapon in his sword and is able to wound Mouten who accidently falls in front of him. Seeing his son wounded enrages Moubu and he ends the fight immidiately. Not that I think the intervention changed the result, but you can argue that if that didn't happen then it's possible Kanmei would still be able to exchange blows for a bit longer with the sword, since witnessing his son striked down gave Moubu a temporary boost in power.
3. Potrayal and stats.
Then there's elephant in the room with Man'u openly stating that Kanmei is stronger then him despite the two of them never having a formal duel. While it's unclear how Man'u knows this, this also goes in line with Kanmei saying he never met a worthy opponent up until Coalition War and considering himself to be unstoppable. Some people want to dismiss Man'u's words as a joke or him tounting his opponent, but I think this is simply the author giving us the answer. This also goes in line with the official statistics that put Man'u two points below Kanmei in fighting ability.
4. Summary
Moubu vs Kanmei is a clear case of an extreme-diff victory after long exhausting duel. Man'u of course had an incredible feat of puting Moubu on the ground and landing several heavy hits on him, but Kanmei was able to send Moubu flying with his horse, damage his mace, break his arm and knock him unconcious. In terms of feats this is easily superior performance then Man'u's. Moubu also seemed to be pushed further in the first duel as we see him rip his sleeves by flexing his muscles and his veins becoming more visible due to pressure on top of his wounds being more severe.
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1. First let's look at the Moubu vs Man'u duel.
a) Man'u starts the duel incredibly well by knocking Moubu off his horse with his opening strike. Moubu however is not discouraged by this as he gets back on horse and continues the duel, altough still being on the back foot for some time and receiving several heavy strikes.
b) As Man'u begins to talk about releasing his burden Moubu gets more annoyed and it gives him a surge of strength. He slowly starts geting upper hand, eventually being able to knock Man'u off his horse himself.
c) The duel however ends ubruptly. Chu's HQ falls and Man'u decides to fall back. Moubu wants to chase after him, but Man'u gives him one more strong goodbye strike that discourages him from doing that.
It's worth pointing out that this doesn't mean Moubu was not in the condition to fight. His wounds are nowhere on the level he suffered against Kanmei and the fight ended rather quickly, so there's no doubt in my mind this is NOT Man'u's victory and Chu being forced to retreat could actually be the thing that saved Man'u's life.
2. Now let's move to the duel between Moubu and Kanmei. The fight has a three distinct stages: the early fight, mid fight and late fight.
a) The early fight was Kanmei completely dominating his opponent, sending Moubu flying with his horse and leaving a wound on his head. This continues for about a chapter.
b) Things start to change in the mid fight. Moubu decides to use his full strength and this is where he starts to hold his own on more or less equal footing, even being able to wound Kanmei slightly.
This however doesn't last long. When Kanmei's weight kicks in, he once again starts dominating, breaks Moubu's arm and knocks him unconcious for a moment. At this point even Moubu's own soldiers start to believe this is over for him. This feat alone is superior to anything Man'u shown onscreen.
c) The unconcious Moubu has a flashback to his conversation with Shouheikun. This gives him a new surge of strength and confidence. He is able to stand up, break Kanmei's arm and continue the duel, moving it to it's late stage. They continue their exchange until it's pointed out that both of them are close to their limit. At this point both generals are bleeding from multiple places, they start breathing heavily and their maces are cracking under the pressure. Eventully it's Kanmei's mace that gives up first.
The ending of the fight is also a bit sus, since Kanmei still has a secondary weapon in his sword and is able to wound Mouten who accidently falls in front of him. Seeing his son wounded enrages Moubu and he ends the fight immidiately. Not that I think the intervention changed the result, but you can argue that if that didn't happen then it's possible Kanmei would still be able to exchange blows for a bit longer with the sword, since witnessing his son striked down gave Moubu a temporary boost in power.
3. Potrayal and stats.
Then there's elephant in the room with Man'u openly stating that Kanmei is stronger then him despite the two of them never having a formal duel. While it's unclear how Man'u knows this, this also goes in line with Kanmei saying he never met a worthy opponent up until Coalition War and considering himself to be unstoppable. Some people want to dismiss Man'u's words as a joke or him tounting his opponent, but I think this is simply the author giving us the answer. This also goes in line with the official statistics that put Man'u two points below Kanmei in fighting ability.
4. Summary
Moubu vs Kanmei is a clear case of an extreme-diff victory after long exhausting duel. Man'u of course had an incredible feat of puting Moubu on the ground and landing several heavy hits on him, but Kanmei was able to send Moubu flying with his horse, damage his mace, break his arm and knock him unconcious. In terms of feats this is easily superior performance then Man'u's. Moubu also seemed to be pushed further in the first duel as we see him rip his sleeves by flexing his muscles and his veins becoming more visible due to pressure on top of his wounds being more severe.
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