Chapter Discussion Tower of God Season 3 - Chapter 231
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Whoa....this chapter was insane. I would have thought that allowing V to kill Traum would suit Gustsngs plans but he really wanted to do it himself.
V is the truth.
Urek is the real god of the tower.
I feel bad for Baam, like how does he tegain control and when/how does he find out the truth about V? How will he take it and how will it affect him? What about the rest of his crew (Endrossi, Khun, Rak)?
This is a great chapter for all the new questions it brings to the surface. I haven't even formulated them all....sugar.
V is the truth.
Urek is the real god of the tower.
I feel bad for Baam, like how does he tegain control and when/how does he find out the truth about V? How will he take it and how will it affect him? What about the rest of his crew (Endrossi, Khun, Rak)?
This is a great chapter for all the new questions it brings to the surface. I haven't even formulated them all....sugar.
Having read the chapter, I like how at the end, it didn't seem like SIU made anyone look that bad:
- Traumerei: Confirmed in this chapter to be quite exhausted/having used most of his energy during the Gustang fight. This also puts more into perspective Gustang's statement about Urek potentially not having an easy time destroying Traumerei's Disconnection if it had been at full power. Add to that, Traumerei was never theoretically at 100%, since he's still missing Leviathan and other strong BH Shinheuhs like Haetae, Gran Abuelo, etc. Overall, he was seriously nerfed at this point.
- Gustang: Probably similar to Traumerei. He should be quite exhausted/having used most of his energy. His injuries are worse than Traumerei's too, He's not confirmed to have shared direct fractions of his power with his Head Librarians like Traumerei did with his Shinheuh, but it wouldn't be surprising if he did and still needs to recover all his power/abilities. At any rate, he should be greatly nerfed as well.
- Urek: We don't know what % of Shinsu Reinforcement he's using right now, but needless to say, he's been looking great. His fist was compared to the most destructive flame in the Tower, shattered Traumerei's nerfed Disconnections like glass, one-shot that evil spirit and overall didn't have any trouble dissipating everything they threw at him. Easily caught up to Vaam and made V admit that even in his Prime, there's no guarantee of anything.
- V/Vaam: He's currently nerfed in the body of an Irregular that's still in development. Nonetheless, he was able to nullify one of Traumerei's nerfed (?) Disconnection Orbs and incapacitate nerfed Traumerei with a single backshot sneak attack. While he's certainly a menace, SIU also made sure to state his limits, Taking on a nerfed Gustang and Urek (who he was underestimating at that point) at once is too much for him, even with the handicap of them not wanting to harm Baam's body (and as such, not attacking with everything they have). He also seemed a bit wary of a fully rested/fully powered Traumerei going after him. In his Prime, unsure of his chances against Urek.
- Luslec: Yes, he also looked good. He managed to trap Urek for the third time in a row and save Vaam from him. Gustang also regarded him as a very unwelcome guest, and we have yet to see him go all out. He was said to have a lot left at the end of his fight with Urek. He's yet to be pushed to his limits. I don't think he's quite at the level of a FH, but I think some people are going to be sorely disappointed if they expect him to be an ant to them. His powers are clearly being depicted as useful even against beings of that level.
Another thing I'd like to point out regarding SIU's writing when it comes to power-scaling is that he can be both extremely clear or extremely ambiguous depending on the situation. There tends to be a constant, however. If a character is total fodder compared to another, it'll be shown clearly (Yama vs Fucile, Cha vs Kendrick or Fucile, Kallavan vs Karaka, Evankhell vs 4th Army Corp, etc). However, ambiguity tends to come in other kinds of fights, such as Kallavan vs White, Jinsung vs Kallavan, etc. Tired Evankhell vs WGW, and tired Kallavan vs Lyborick are also prime examples of how much the state of a fighter can impact a match-up that would otherwise, by all indications, look close.
I think the fact that SIU chooses to give us such a degree of ambiguity and factors to consider here, is pretty indicative that none of these guys are meant to be complete and utter fodder to each other. Granted, this doesn't mean they're meant to be equal; they clearly won't be.
TLDR: These guys are all strong and deserve respect, even if not all of them will be equal.
- Traumerei: Confirmed in this chapter to be quite exhausted/having used most of his energy during the Gustang fight. This also puts more into perspective Gustang's statement about Urek potentially not having an easy time destroying Traumerei's Disconnection if it had been at full power. Add to that, Traumerei was never theoretically at 100%, since he's still missing Leviathan and other strong BH Shinheuhs like Haetae, Gran Abuelo, etc. Overall, he was seriously nerfed at this point.
- Gustang: Probably similar to Traumerei. He should be quite exhausted/having used most of his energy. His injuries are worse than Traumerei's too, He's not confirmed to have shared direct fractions of his power with his Head Librarians like Traumerei did with his Shinheuh, but it wouldn't be surprising if he did and still needs to recover all his power/abilities. At any rate, he should be greatly nerfed as well.
- Urek: We don't know what % of Shinsu Reinforcement he's using right now, but needless to say, he's been looking great. His fist was compared to the most destructive flame in the Tower, shattered Traumerei's nerfed Disconnections like glass, one-shot that evil spirit and overall didn't have any trouble dissipating everything they threw at him. Easily caught up to Vaam and made V admit that even in his Prime, there's no guarantee of anything.
- V/Vaam: He's currently nerfed in the body of an Irregular that's still in development. Nonetheless, he was able to nullify one of Traumerei's nerfed (?) Disconnection Orbs and incapacitate nerfed Traumerei with a single backshot sneak attack. While he's certainly a menace, SIU also made sure to state his limits, Taking on a nerfed Gustang and Urek (who he was underestimating at that point) at once is too much for him, even with the handicap of them not wanting to harm Baam's body (and as such, not attacking with everything they have). He also seemed a bit wary of a fully rested/fully powered Traumerei going after him. In his Prime, unsure of his chances against Urek.
- Luslec: Yes, he also looked good. He managed to trap Urek for the third time in a row and save Vaam from him. Gustang also regarded him as a very unwelcome guest, and we have yet to see him go all out. He was said to have a lot left at the end of his fight with Urek. He's yet to be pushed to his limits. I don't think he's quite at the level of a FH, but I think some people are going to be sorely disappointed if they expect him to be an ant to them. His powers are clearly being depicted as useful even against beings of that level.
Another thing I'd like to point out regarding SIU's writing when it comes to power-scaling is that he can be both extremely clear or extremely ambiguous depending on the situation. There tends to be a constant, however. If a character is total fodder compared to another, it'll be shown clearly (Yama vs Fucile, Cha vs Kendrick or Fucile, Kallavan vs Karaka, Evankhell vs 4th Army Corp, etc). However, ambiguity tends to come in other kinds of fights, such as Kallavan vs White, Jinsung vs Kallavan, etc. Tired Evankhell vs WGW, and tired Kallavan vs Lyborick are also prime examples of how much the state of a fighter can impact a match-up that would otherwise, by all indications, look close.
I think the fact that SIU chooses to give us such a degree of ambiguity and factors to consider here, is pretty indicative that none of these guys are meant to be complete and utter fodder to each other. Granted, this doesn't mean they're meant to be equal; they clearly won't be.
TLDR: These guys are all strong and deserve respect, even if not all of them will be equal.
V looks charismatic and seems like a villain. V considers Gustang as a villain too unsurprisingly. V taking out Trau with just two attacks is insane. Gustang has been struggling for so long to get a good hit but he couldn’t so far. From the flashbacks we got so far, I think there’s some power difference between FHs.
I don’t know what to think of this whole V/Baam situation. I don’t like this. I didn’t want reincarnation of some sorts to come into ToG but here we are. Urek got a mega hype too. The punches he used this chapter seemed more intense than the ones he used last chapter. So clearly he’s still holding back. Again we haven’t seen his shinsu control yet.
But good thing about this V/Baam development is that it has made the story unpredictable. What’s gonna happen to Khun, Rachel etc? Are they even relevant anymore? What would be the impact of a family head dying? Will Zahard directly participate in the battles now? Are we going towards the end of the story fast already?
I don’t know what to think of this whole V/Baam situation. I don’t like this. I didn’t want reincarnation of some sorts to come into ToG but here we are. Urek got a mega hype too. The punches he used this chapter seemed more intense than the ones he used last chapter. So clearly he’s still holding back. Again we haven’t seen his shinsu control yet.
But good thing about this V/Baam development is that it has made the story unpredictable. What’s gonna happen to Khun, Rachel etc? Are they even relevant anymore? What would be the impact of a family head dying? Will Zahard directly participate in the battles now? Are we going towards the end of the story fast already?
SIU deciding to make ToG peak fiction outta no where recently, cannot say I’m not thoroughly pleased this run been goated ever since the Traumerei flashback.
The story has taken an interesting turn now with V taking over Baam and pretty much confirming that he planned this all along. Wonder what this will mean for Baam now that V has seemingly escaped with Luslec. We are probably getting a similar story to the start of S2 where Baam finds himself away from his companions and in the hands of FUG. He’s definitely gonna be waking up at some point. So many questions still left to be answered.
Also damn near everyone in the verse running away from Urek at this point
first it was Luslec then the Boss and his goons, now V and Luslec(again) lol.
SIU even got V glazing and hyping up Urek. No way Zahard is over this dude with what we know currently. If even V isn’t sure he can take Urek in his prime, the same V who with only Arlene and Luslec was able to match the rest of the family heads..then Zahard isn’t guaranteeing anything either. V already looked slightly superior to Zahard anyway. This is what I expected from Urek more or less but I did not expect all these top dogs, especially V to all be the measuring stick to further hype Urek lol.
Luslec has looked impressive the entire arc, people been downplaying him when he’s got abilities to bother Urek who’s been casually punching away conceptual hax like disconnect. Nonetheless, this was a goated chapter.
The story has taken an interesting turn now with V taking over Baam and pretty much confirming that he planned this all along. Wonder what this will mean for Baam now that V has seemingly escaped with Luslec. We are probably getting a similar story to the start of S2 where Baam finds himself away from his companions and in the hands of FUG. He’s definitely gonna be waking up at some point. So many questions still left to be answered.
Also damn near everyone in the verse running away from Urek at this point
SIU even got V glazing and hyping up Urek. No way Zahard is over this dude with what we know currently. If even V isn’t sure he can take Urek in his prime, the same V who with only Arlene and Luslec was able to match the rest of the family heads..then Zahard isn’t guaranteeing anything either. V already looked slightly superior to Zahard anyway. This is what I expected from Urek more or less but I did not expect all these top dogs, especially V to all be the measuring stick to further hype Urek lol.
Luslec has looked impressive the entire arc, people been downplaying him when he’s got abilities to bother Urek who’s been casually punching away conceptual hax like disconnect. Nonetheless, this was a goated chapter.
Very well said. Couldn't have said it better.
So V outright doesn't say Urek > His prime self but it's not clear that he will be the victor 100%.
I don't think this is an L to V at all. Other FHs have grown after V's demise first time and yet V of that time is comparable to current Urek.
Imo the scaling goes Current Zahard > Urek >= Zahard/V during great war.
It doesn't make sense if zahard remained the same all this time.
Also luslec is pretty powerful. At least can give low tier FHs good fight imo.
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So V outright doesn't say Urek > His prime self but it's not clear that he will be the victor 100%.
I don't think this is an L to V at all. Other FHs have grown after V's demise first time and yet V of that time is comparable to current Urek.
Imo the scaling goes Current Zahard > Urek >= Zahard/V during great war.
It doesn't make sense if zahard remained the same all this time.
Also luslec is pretty powerful. At least can give low tier FHs good fight imo.
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Technically, this can be correct if we assume V's last statement is 100% true. There's enough room to make it dubious, considering how much he had to change of opinion after witnessing Urek going after him. He went from "Maybe I could 1v2 nerfed Gustang and Urek in my Prime" to "There's no guarantee I could beat Urek 1v1 in my Prime".
This sudden change of opinion does suggest V can't gauge Urek properly. This automatically means that every power statement that comes from V regarding Urek should be taken with a grain of salt. It can be true, or maybe not.
At any rate, it's hype for both Urek and V.
This sudden change of opinion does suggest V can't gauge Urek properly. This automatically means that every power statement that comes from V regarding Urek should be taken with a grain of salt. It can be true, or maybe not.
At any rate, it's hype for both Urek and V.
I see where you are coming from but most likely this is SIU saying to us that urek and V are comparable or in same ball park. It is certainly possible Urek has more potential and a bigger well to draw from.
I think urek most likely will be stronger of the two albeit the gap between them not being that big.
I think urek most likely will be stronger of the two albeit the gap between them not being that big.
