Questions & Mysteries So Shanks and Roger are no swordsmen but have named sword attacks?

[CbShadow]

BM has a named sword attack too, and she isn't swordsman too.

Every single time Big Mom is involve some conflict she doesn't immediately grab her sword. Nor has she ever been called a swordsman in any official One Piece sources. That's not a good argument.

 

[trav]

Like Divine Departure?

Who says that this is a swordstechnique? Who says that this is all Shanks and Roger do?

lmao
Exactly.

Isn't Ikkoku swordsmanship of the giants?

It was used with both Axe and Sword.
A single sword technique does not make someone a swordsman.

nobody can ever provide manga scenes stating he never beat them

Show me evidence that unicorns do not exist.
Its impossible to prove absence.

The way a character fights decides whether or not they are a swordsmen.
Shanks has so far not shown anything that would suggest that he is NOT a swordsman.
That does not mean that he can not show something in the future that could change this.
As it stands the most reasonable take is that Shanks is a swordsman and so was Roger.

NOTE: There are people who believe that Rayleigh may have been the previous WSS. This would mean that he was stronger than Roger. If he only became WSS after Roger died than Roger would have been WSS.

 

[CbShadow]

Who says that this is a swordstechnique? Who says that this is all Shanks and Roger do?

lmao
Exactly.

It was used with both Axe and Sword.
A single sword technique does not make someone a swordsman.

Show me evidence that unicorns do not exist.
Its impossible to prove absence.

The way a character fights decides whether or not they are a swordsmen.
Shanks has so far not shown anything that would suggest that he is NOT a swordsman.
That does not mean that he can not show something in the future that could change this.
As it stands the most reasonable take is that Shanks is a swordsman and so was Roger.

NOTE: There are people who believe that Rayleigh may have been the previous WSS. This would mean that he was stronger than Roger. If he only became WSS after Roger died than Roger would have been WSS.

Everything Shanks does support he's a swordsman. There are multiple sources telling us Shanks is a swordsman.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732832607249830193

The truth is, if Mihawk never existed nobody would question whether Shanks is a swordsman. The only reason they do is because people don't want Mihawk to be stronger than Shanks.

Your unicorn argument doesn't work here because that's real life and this is fictional material. In One Piece Oda told us Mihawk is the WSS and he obtained his title by traveling the world and fighting strong opponents until there was no more worthy challengers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851500990526341585

That's the information we have to go by and it's facts. Just because Oda hasn't revealed all of his past or showed us those battles doesn't mean that information is wrong or even Oda is wrong. The manga is not over so Oda has time to reveal more of his past and his opponents.

There's nothing in the manga or any official One Piece sources that state or even hints at Rayleigh or Roger was the previous WSS. We don't have any information stayed in Mihawk had to beat the former WSS to become the current WSS. Even if they were called the WSS at one time in the manga that is still different than Mihawk's situation. Oda told us Mihawk is the strongest in name and reality. That statement makes it very clear Mihawk truly is the strongest and it's not just what people believe. As long as he has the title there is no known or unknown swordsman stronger than him.

 

[BattalGazi]

Both of those techniques are just like Zoro's wave hawk, non-cutting shockwave technique. Zoro has used non-cutting shockwave techniques since pre TS.

Claiming they're not swordsman because they use a non-cutting shockwave technique doesn't work.

I am not sure about about Zoros non cutting techniques but Divine departure just slams the opponent with a COC wave so not a cutting move.

 

[CbShadow]

I am not sure about about Zoros non cutting techniques but Divine departure just slams the opponent with a COC wave so not a cutting move.

Zoro has 2 non-cutting shockwave techniques. He learned those techniques pre-time skip.

- Skill 6:
> Two Sword Style【 Takanami ( Hawk Wave ) 】:

Zoro slashes forward in waves while swinging his two swords. This attack has a very wide range and is effective when attacking multiple enemies at the same time!!

- Skill 11:
> Two Sword Style【 Sai Kuru ( Rhino Cycle ) 】:

From a rhinoceros stance with two swords held in opposite hands, he spins around to generate a shockwave that blasts away all enemies around you!

Strong swordsman possess the power to cut or not cut. A swordsman possessing non-cutting techniques is not a new concept.

 

[Albino 👑]

Why then Shanks is the greatest Mihawk rival and was used as benchmark for swordsmanship to hype Mihawk?
How is that possible if his fighting style is not based on swordsmanship?

Because he’s still extremely strong with a sword

Same way king a non swordsman can still have sword duels and even beat actual swordsmen with it alone. Like he should be able to beat hachi lol

How many times when you and your fanbase move the goal post?

Kaku doesn't have a single sword style technique yet he's a swordsman.

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What

Anyway my thoughts

Things important to being a swordsman

1. Using your actual swords or at the very least bladed weapon
   • Punching kicking throwing busses etc isn’t swordsmanship lol
2. Claiming to be one
   • Doesn’t matter how actually skilled or not you are. Just claiming to be one is enough
3. Skill/style/technique
   • There’s a difference between using a sword and being a swordsman. Like oden 2 sword style, beautiful sword style, 3 sword style, etc
4. Swordsman code
   • True swordsman honor a short of unspoken code between them and what being a swordsman means. Something not required but makes you more of a “true swordsman”
     • Same way you don’t need to follow pirates code to be a pirate. Those who do are still more pirates to their core
5. Sword fights
   • As dumb and obvious as it sounds sword fights are about swords and swordsmanship. Same way there are rules to a sumo fight there are rules to a sword fight
6. Cutting
   • A big part of swordsmanship is enhancing what you can or can cut

 

[Rurushu]

Because he’s still extremely strong with a sword

Same way king a non swordsman can still have sword duels and even beat actual swordsmen with it alone. Like he should be able to beat hachi lol

It's not my question

Why bring up and talk about Shanks' swordsmanship if his fighting style isn't based on swordsmanship?

Why would someone like Mihawk, who has dedicated his life to swordsmanship, fight duels with a non-swordsman and consider him as his greatest rival?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

If Mihawk is so strong and every sword user is a swordsman then why Mihawk never beaten Bigmom or Fujitora etc... It is a titşe based on skill.

WB never beat Big Mom/Kaido, and Kaido never beat Big Mom/Shanks/BB, and their titles aren't skill based just because they're termed the strongest without them beating every other person in existence. Mihawk isn't any different.

 

[comrade]

It was used with both Axe and Sword.
A single sword technique does not make someone a swordsman

Zoro used Oni Giri with a scythe. Should be able to replicate it with an axe as well.

 

[Jailer]

I don't care what they are all I know Mihawk isn't stronger than them

 

[Albino 👑]

It's not my question

Why bring up and talk about Shanks' swordsmanship if his fighting style isn't based on swordsmanship?

Why would someone like Mihawk, who has dedicated his life to swordsmanship, fight duels with a non-swordsman and consider him as his greatest rival?

Because he’s strong with a sword
Again same example with king. Despite not being a swordsman he’s still strong with a sword

Who else is there?
He fought shanks 13+ years ago and if we look at other strong characters with swords most weren’t really available

1. Mihawk seemingly barely been in the new world. That being a big reason he never crossed paths with even vista. So it’s likely he hasn’t really fought many emperor crew members in general
2. Mihawk fought the marines but as far as we know he’s never fought any of the admirals old or new. The strongest marine with a sword potentially being idk bogard not including them
3. Maybe he fought Rayleigh with ray potentially being his father. Tho that likely isn’t something well known even if they did fight
4. Shiki been in hiding for 20+ years assuming he’s still alive
5. Revs ?
6. Shiryu ?

 

[Seraphoenix]

Roger and Shanks are stronger than Mihawk and stronger than EoS Loro. Stop comparing the goats to side characters.

 

[Rurushu]

Because he’s strong with a sword
Again same example with king. Despite not being a swordsman he’s still strong with a sword

Who else is there?
He fought shanks 13+ years ago and if we look at other strong characters with swords most weren’t really available

1. Mihawk seemingly barely been in the new world. That being a big reason he never crossed paths with even vista. So it’s likely he hasn’t really fought many emperor crew members in general
2. Mihawk fought the marines but as far as we know he’s never fought any of the admirals old or new. The strongest marine with a sword potentially being idk bogard not including them
3. Maybe he fought Rayleigh with ray potentially being his father. Tho that likely isn’t something well known even if they did fight
4. Shiki been in hiding for 20+ years assuming he’s still alive
5. Revs ?
6. Shiryu ?

Again it's not what i am asking.

What swordsmanship is Brannew talking about if Shanks doesn't use swordsmanship according to you?

 

[Albino 👑]

Again it's not what i am asking.

What swordsmanship is Brannew talking about if Shanks doesn't use swordsmanship according to you?

I already answered twice

Because he’s still extremely strong with a sword

Same way king a non swordsman can still have sword duels and even beat actual swordsmen with it alone. Like he should be able to beat hachi lol

Because he’s strong with a sword
Again same example with king. Despite not being a swordsman he’s still strong with a sword

 

[Blazing Lion]

Who says that this is a swordstechnique? Who says that this is all Shanks and Roger do?

lmao
Exactly.

It was used with both Axe and Sword.
A single sword technique does not make someone a swordsman.

Yeah, but it doesn't change that BM used it with her sword and Ikkoku has been called swordsmanship of the giants. Not calling BM a swordswoman but comparing her arsenal to Shanks/Roger is wrong.

 

[Rurushu]

I already answered twice

These aren't answers.

Brannew is talking about Mihawk being superior in sword skills even to Shanks.
What's the point of that sentence if Shanks doesn't use swordsmanship?

 

[Albino 👑]

These aren't answers.

Brannew is talking about Mihawk being superior in sword skills even to Shanks.
What's the point of that sentence if Shanks doesn't use swordsmanship?

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Because he still uses a sword regardless. Again x3 using a sword =/= being a swordsman or having a sword style

King a non swordsman challenged zoro to a sword duel mid fight

King despite not being a swordsman is still relatively skilled at using a sword

 

[Rurushu]

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Because he still uses a sword regardless. Again x3 using a sword =/= being a swordsman or having a sword style

King a non swordsman challenged zoro to a sword duel mid fight

King despite not being a swordsman is still relatively skilled at using a sword

What does King have to do with Shanks in this context?
First of all, Zoro never praised or said anything about King's swordsmanship skills.
Secondly King is not a swordsman because he doesn't follow a certain style of fighting. What does this have to do with Shanks, who has been using a sword since childhood and to this day has shown nothing on screen without it?

Your position is that not cutting≠sword skills means Shanks doesn't use it means Brannew's sentence makes no sense because you can't superior to someone in what they don't even use.

It's like Messi will say he's a better football player than Lebron...

 

[CbShadow]

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Because he still uses a sword regardless. Again x3 using a sword =/= being a swordsman or having a sword style

King a non swordsman challenged zoro to a sword duel mid fight

King despite not being a swordsman is still relatively skilled at using a sword

King is a swordsman. The VC confirms it. The confusion comes to the fact that Zoro said he never called himself a swordsman. He never said he wasn't a swordsman either. He is someone who believes you don't need to use a certain style or have a title, be called a swordsman, to fight.

Oda use King to destroy fans belier that a swordsman has to fit in a certain category or is limited from using certain techniques. You need to stop trying to define a swordsman based off your beliefs. Instead you need to go by the manga.

Because he’s strong with a sword
Again same example with king. Despite not being a swordsman he’s still strong with a sword

Who else is there?
He fought shanks 13+ years ago and if we look at other strong characters with swords most weren’t really available

1. Mihawk seemingly barely been in the new world. That being a big reason he never crossed paths with even vista. So it’s likely he hasn’t really fought many emperor crew members in general
2. Mihawk fought the marines but as far as we know he’s never fought any of the admirals old or new. The strongest marine with a sword potentially being idk bogard not including them
3. Maybe he fought Rayleigh with ray potentially being his father. Tho that likely isn’t something well known even if they did fight
4. Shiki been in hiding for 20+ years assuming he’s still alive
5. Revs ?
6. Shiryu ?

Your post is a perfect example of the issue. Too many people are claiming what didn't happen just because nobody has mentioned it. Oda reveals information when he's ready to. Remember, nobody knew Geiko Moria and his entire army fought Kaido and his forces un Wano until Oden's flash. Not a single person in Wano mention the battle.

Oda told us Mihawk fought strong opponents until there's no more worthy challengers. There's a lot of strong characters Mihawk could have fought. Just because his past and those battles hasn't been revealed doesn't mean it didn't happen. You can't say he didn't fight this character or that character just because nobody has mentioned it. Characters don't mention things if it has nothing to do with the current plot.

 

[Albino 👑]

What does King have to do with Shanks in this context?
First of all, Zoro never praised or said anything about King's swordsmanship skills.
Secondly King is not a swordsman because he doesn't follow a certain style of fighting. What does this have to do with Shanks, who has been using a sword since childhood and to this day has shown nothing on screen without it?

Your position is that not cutting≠sword skills means Shanks doesn't use it means Brannew's sentence makes no sense because you can't superior to someone in what they don't even use.

It's like Messi will say he's a better football player than Lebron...

A character using a sword since childhood that is skilled at using it but isn’t considered a swordsman

King was overwhelming zoro in a sword clash and is able to harden his blade. He might not be a swordsman but he’s not completely shit at using it

Shanks has done 1 attack all series and it wasn’t part of a sword style. We don’t know if shanks limits himself to only using his sword. We don’t know if he mixes in punches and kicks. A single punch from king has zoro calling him out as not a swordsman

? I didn’t say that…
All I said was again x5 is using a sword =/= being a swordsman. Shanks can be strong with a sword and still not be a swordsman
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