Speculations Why you shouldn’t stay in Elbaf for too long

#1
It’s because giants are irrationally prone to War

Dorry and Brogy said back in little garden that if there is a dispute and no side yields, they fight to the death.

This is why Elbaf is called “Warland”

Loki said Elbaf once lived and breathed warfare. I assume this means that there hasn’t been a war in quite some time. Possibly with the last one being when Louis Arnot visited.

The silhouette man met with Crocus. He’s clearly a powerful figure who had some ties to the Roger Pirates.

My guess is he’s part of the reason why another war hasn’t broken out. But I think Loki wants to go back to the old days of warfare.

Once Luffy frees him, I think he’ll do something that will trigger an island-wide civil war. He might not necessarily be the villain. It could be that the silhouette man has kept the peace through some underhanded means.
 
#4
Don't know why but I got the feeling you just start to grow and grow after a while, and maybe time works differently there, so good luck going back to the real world...
 
#5
It’s because giants are irrationally prone to War

Dorry and Brogy said back in little garden that if there is a dispute and no side yields, they fight to the death.

This is why Elbaf is called “Warland”

Loki said Elbaf once lived and breathed warfare. I assume this means that there hasn’t been a war in quite some time. Possibly with the last one being when Louis Arnot visited.

The silhouette man met with Crocus. He’s clearly a powerful figure who had some ties to the Roger Pirates.

My guess is he’s part of the reason why another war hasn’t broken out. But I think Loki wants to go back to the old days of warfare.

Once Luffy frees him, I think he’ll do something that will trigger an island-wide civil war. He might not necessarily be the villain. It could be that the silhouette man has kept the peace through some underhanded means.
usopp and zoro are both concerned in this chapter with this, so it makes the most sense.


they know that any conflict in Elbaf could be spun into a forced death battle because they were on little garden.


usopp is pretty much the only person remembering how their culture works and zoro is just going "yeah dont worry about it." but is still aware himself. everyone else isnt really paying attention lol
 
#6
usopp and zoro are both concerned in this chapter with this, so it makes the most sense.


they know that any conflict in Elbaf could be spun into a forced death battle because they were on little garden.


usopp is pretty much the only person remembering how their culture works and zoro is just going "yeah dont worry about it." but is still aware himself. everyone else isnt really paying attention lol
Man Zoro only doing it cause Ussop likes them. Zoro don't give a shit
 
#7
Don't know why but I got the feeling you just start to grow and grow after a while, and maybe time works differently there, so good luck going back to the real world...
The SHs all come out of Elbaf being WB size.
Barto would have a heart attack at seeing half-giant Luffy.
 

Rej

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#12
Don't know why but I got the feeling you just start to grow and grow after a while, and maybe time works differently there, so good luck going back to the real world...
That is similair to my theory.

They will lose the sense of time, weeks/months will pass and the outside world will change massively. Maybe to their disadvantage so they have to hermit down in Elbaf.
 
#14
If this was true then the WG would have invaded Elbaf years ago

Also this never happened to Caramel or Loki’s men
All of Loki's men wore masks though, and it looks like the Underworld has an endless snow.
If this snow has some sort of special substance that is harmful to normal people, then Arnot's quote would make sense.
As for Caramel, maybe the Middleworld is best for normal people because it has some sort of protection, whereas the Upperworld and Underworld are different.
 
#15
I feel like it’s related to the sunlight on Elbaf.

Elbaf is built around the tree connected to the “Sun Tree” Adam. They sail around on rainbows made of light, they worship the sun itself. I think the light in Elbaf is too severe for normal humans and may be deadly.
 
#17
I completely agree the current peace in Elbaf probably has to do with Loki . Once Loki is free it will be war . So it’s possible Louis probably visited Elbaf during reign of terror Loki created .
 

Rej

I wear Dior, not a fad, fad, fad, fad...
#18
I completely agree the current peace in Elbaf probably has to do with Loki . Once Loki is free it will be war . So it’s possible Louis probably visited Elbaf during reign of terror Loki created .
Creation of the Book
"The only portion of Brag Men that has appeared in the series was written by the explorer Louis Arnote. It describes the island of Little Garden and reveals the origin of its name.[1] Due to Louis Arnote mentioning giants inhabiting the island, the book must have originally been published less than 100 years ago, as that is when Dorry and Brogy began living on Little Garden. Being one of the many books kept in the Tree of Knowledge located on the island of Ohara, it must have been published some time over 22 years ago."

Loki should have been a "teen" in giant terms by then and Harold was ruling by then. I doubt Loki was ever "ruling". Idk what you are talking about lol.
Time for a history lesson my boi.
 
#19
It would be funny if it was something weird like giants go through a physiological change in their bodies that causes them to rampage every few months.
 
#20
It's possible that all the Giants periodically just go into a berserker rage and kill everything in sight. This is the "War Land", after all. It's possible they have to periodically satiate their built-up battle-lust.

But, it occurs to me that it could be more than just that. I wonder if maybe Oda could tie this into the cyclical nature of Ragnarok?

Now, in actual Norse mythology, there's some debate on if Ragnarok is actually cyclical and repeating or not. Some sources say there's only ONE Ragnarok with a paradise achieved by the end, while other sources say that Ragnarok repeats itself as part of a natural cycle of death and rebirth of the world, and still others say that the process itself repeats but with different characters with no one getting resurrected.
reddit.com/r/Norse/comments/efl7op/possible_spoilers_is_the_norse_mythos_cyclical/?rdt=55276
https://mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/7837/will-there-only-be-one-ragnarök-or-will-there-be-multiple
https://www.tumblr.com/mostly-history/183340197163/norse-mythology-is-cyclical-and-contains-many

But, in popular culture, this has kind of mutated into the idea that the entire story of the Norse Gods endlessly repeats itself. With new versions of the dead gods being reborn and playing out the same stories time and time again. This is most evident with Marvel Comic's version of Thor. Marvel's Norse Pantheon has died and been reborn multiple times over the centuries, and it's process is overseen by higher-dimensional cosmic entities who use the energies produced by the war for their own purposes.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ragnarok_(Event)



So, I wonder if Oda could have the Elbaph Giants undergo something similar to the Marvel Norse Gods? Maybe every so often, the Giants all kill each other or die in some great battle...but then they all also get resurrected again with no real permanent damage done to them. Maybe the power of the World Tree all grants them a resurrection? Imagine it like all the Giants are already in Valhalla, the land of the righteous warrior dead where everyone fights for all eternity. They're all fighting battles all the time, because there is no consequence for killing each other.

Louis Arnote is warning travelers not to stay to long, because this same resurrection magic may not work for anyone but the Giants. Anyone else who's caught up in one of their battles might be killed, and wouldn't be resurrected like the Giants are. Because the Giants might simply not think about something like that while they're in the grip of battle fever. Maybe that's why they keep all the humans locked up in jail cells. It's for their own protection, because they can't come back to life like the Giants can? This could also be why Big Mom is so hated by the Giants. She killed people outside of the time of Ragnarok, meaning that those people she killed couldn't come back to life. It's possible that this magic might only work at certain times. Maybe when flowers on the World Tree blooms, or something?

Could THIS be what Loki actually wants to end? Killing everyone every so often with no consequences? Because I could see someone seeing this as something horrifying that should be put to a end. Perhaps this is even why Loki's eyes are covered, because he doesn't want to witness his friends killing each other time and time again.

Plus, this kind of cycle probably hinders the growth and development of their society as a whole. Elbaph seems to be stuck in the Middle Ages, with wooden huts and more old fashioned equipment. Meanwhile, the rest of the One Piece World seems to be slowly developing into a more modern industrial era. Because there is no incentive for the Giants to develop, as a society. They're big enough that they can just use brute force to solve most problems. And if they come back to life when they die in their homeland, there's no reason to make things better or improve their cities. Endless resurrection could have unnaturally stunted their society's development.



Plus, something like this would tie back into some of the larger ideas and themes of the One Piece story overall. Because there are several hints throughout the story of history repeating itself. This is most evident with Luffy seemingly following the same path that Joyboy once followed, who likely ALSO followed that same path as Nika. The Sea Kings during Fishmen Island mention that "This time will be different". Indicating that there's something causing history to repeat itself, possibly even causing a few characters to be reincarnated over and over again.

Breaking the repeating cycle of history might be the larger idea that Elbaph is all about. Elbaph might be about showing why and how you stop history from endlessly repeating itself. Including possibly ending the seemingly endless cycle of reincarnation. "Staying too long" as a metaphor for "getting stuck in habits" or "letting things play out the same way over and over again". It might be about ending the endless cycle and finding a new path, a new adventure, to follow.
 
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