Character Discussion Why do you think ZBoys are in such denial about Green Bull having a black blade?

I don't get it. Shouldn't Aramaki having a black blade be a good thing for sword boys because it the black blade user in question is a top tier?
Aramaki looked like a snot-nosed bitch to Shanks on-panel and doesn't have the destined foreskinning to overcome that perception like Blackbeard. For fandom perception, at least. So it brings black blade stocks down to be associated with a character like that when previously you could head-canon that only hyper-legendary characters like Ryuma (and presumably Mihawk) could achieve such a feat. Of course, there's always the possibility that he got the blade after it already turned black like Zoro did with Shusui, but it's fringe.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
I don't think you understood that statement at all. Greenbull was willing to face an army that took down Kaidou, Big Mom, and the beast pirates. So it obviously can't mean what you are saying it means.

Unless you think Kaidou > Kaidou + Big Mom + Beast Pirates?

Make it make sense.
lol what army he didnt fight any of the top brass outside of Yamato and a still heavily battle damaged King and Queen oh wait even Yamato and Co were still recovering in bandages... you clearly dont understand the very basic statement that if kaido was still in charge of wano he wouldve never entered wano it is that simple.

make it make sense lmfao

& here i'll share this panel again cause Shanks makes that point extremely clear:
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
lol what army he didnt fight any of the top brass outside of Yamato and a still heavily battle damaged King and Queen oh wait even Yamato and Co were still recovering in bandages... you clearly dont understand the very basic statement that if kaido was still in charge of wano he wouldve never entered wano it is that simple.

make it make sense lmfao

& here i'll share this panel again cause Shanks makes that point extremely clear:
A whole lot of yapping, but not addressing anything.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
Ryo was literally going against the ones who took down Kaido and BM, so.
He wouldn't have come if It was Kaido since, as we know, he can't and hadn't any reason to.
hwho took down kaido and bm?

wasnt that luffy kidd and law? cause i never saw greenbull go after or against them - the strongest person he went against was Yamato in base lol

so for what reason did he have to come to wano, and why didnt he have a reason to prior it was the hub for an underground network and slavery?

hmm not sure you even know the own bullshit that is coming out of your ass.
Kizaru had to literally save a Yonkou he didn't even want to fight seriously and Aokiji was shown having prime Garp level of strenght and, as BB said, captured Garp, and all without even really using the fruit.
yet he purposefully went after sentomaru his nephew, then still went after and took out vegapunk his "friend", so he was pretty serious in his mission. luffy wouldve gotten up on his own accord kizaru just expedited that process, the fact still remains that when they fought did kzaru not get taken out with one punch then once again flattened into a pancake literally?

aokiji may have done garps training but that doesnt equate to prime garp strength lmfao this fight proved that he wasnt even on the same level as old man garp, he was speedblitzed and thrown meters into the island, i dont think that ever happened to Roger when they fought back in the day you know the same level of strength that youre trying to put Aokiji on, unless you are saying aokiji is PK level in strength?

was Teach there? lol no he wasnt cause once again Aokiji admitted he wasnt able to do it without help...
f Oda gave one to Ryokugyu, especially at the end of Wano, Is not for that to be somewhat useless and without reason.

He could have obviously not. He did becuase he wanted and because It meant somenthing.
he didnt just magically get it at the end of wano lol hes had it for who knows how long, like i said its still unconfirmed in any aspect, grade, if he is actually a swordsmand or what the blade is actually there for cause one it is missing its scabbard, kind of odd for a swordsman to not have, nor have we ever seen him so touch the blade.

hasnt meant much yet has it when the time comes if it comes then we will see the prupose for it bur like i said its unconfirmed and we do not even know if it is blackblade who ctually forged it.

cause zoro had a blackblade but he didnt forge it.
 

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呪のろいの王
Doesn't matter, he was all alone taking on a massive alliance with a week's rest. To make matters worse he was announcing his arrival to them by walking through the front door unleashing his powers so everyone could sense him.
a massive alliance thats cute he fought like 10 vet to two YC1 who were still battle damaged haha

yet Luffy and co just purposefully sat around and let the Yamato and Momo face them first..... you act as if luffy or zoro werent willing to go and take on greenbull....
Exhausted with 1 week break of characters worth over 2 Yonkou and 1 Yonkou crew is still something that scales above Kaidou by himself.
gosh your powerscaling is so poor, it was visually represented that all characters were still healing and damaged from a full out war. it wasnt just a simple fight it was a war.

king, queen, yamato momo and 6 scabbards are NOT equivalent to 2 Yonko and 1 Yonko crew unless you are scaling everyone there to be YC1 plus?
There's no twisting this. You need better reading comprehension if you think he was talking about being scared of Kaidou, when he's willing to take on folks who beat Kaidou and Big Mom and beast pirates.
once again who in that lineup that he fought beat kaido or big mom?

the ones in that lineup were barely able to beat Jack a YC3 and Perospero who isnt even a YC...
He was very clearly talking about stability. If Kaidou was ruling Greenbull would not be in Wano, just as Shanks wasn't, just as prime WB wasn't. Same applies to any Yonkou territory including WCI. Taking down Kaidou naturally leaves a vacuum to be filled.
the reason why WB never went to wano want cause of Kaido it was cause of the amount of casualties it wouldve caused on both sides and WB wasnt willing to lose his sons, that was canonically proven.

Hell I guess with this level of thought based on your own logic then ACE scales higher than Greenbull cause ACE pulled up to Wano solo to face Kaido directly not the remnants or after a. battle but he went after Kaido straight up but he just wasnt around.
If you want to take his statement purely for powerscaling purposes then Kizaru could give a rat's ass about stopping both Kaidou and Big Mom. Funny I never hear that being brought up to show Kizaru's superiority over both Kaidou and Big Mom combined.
yet he wouldve been bodied worse than he was by luffy. its been brought up dozens of times
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
a massive alliance thats cute he fought like 10 vet to two YC1 who were still battle damaged haha

yet Luffy and co just purposefully sat around and let the Yamato and Momo face them first..... you act as if luffy or zoro werent willing to go and take on greenbull....

gosh your powerscaling is so poor, it was visually represented that all characters were still healing and damaged from a full out war. it wasnt just a simple fight it was a war.

king, queen, yamato momo and 6 scabbards are NOT equivalent to 2 Yonko and 1 Yonko crew unless you are scaling everyone there to be YC1 plus?

once again who in that lineup that he fought beat kaido or big mom?

the ones in that lineup were barely able to beat Jack a YC3 and Perospero who isnt even a YC...

the reason why WB never went to wano want cause of Kaido it was cause of the amount of casualties it wouldve caused on both sides and WB wasnt willing to lose his sons, that was canonically proven.

Hell I guess with this level of thought based on your own logic then ACE scales higher than Greenbull cause ACE pulled up to Wano solo to face Kaido directly not the remnants or after a. battle but he went after Kaido straight up but he just wasnt around.

yet he wouldve been bodied worse than he was by luffy. its been brought up dozens of times
It doesn't matter who he ended up fighting, it's the fact that he moved in on an alliance worth way more than just Kaidou alone. Objectively. There's no twisting that. If he feared Kaidou, he would fear an alliance that defeated Kaidou + Big Mom + Beast Pirates, he couldn't give af though.

You typed all this but said nothing.
 
It doesn't matter who he ended up fighting, it's the fact that he moved in on an alliance worth way more than just Kaidou alone. Objectively. There's no twisting that. If he feared Kaidou, he would fear an alliance that defeated Kaidou + Big Mom + Beast Pirates, he couldn't give af though.
Wasn’t it stated numerous times that they’re still recovering?
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Wasn’t it stated numerous times that they’re still recovering?
Yes, and still objectively, recovering alliance worth Kaidou + Big Mom + Beast Pirates >> Healthy Kaidou.

Heck he came a whole ass week later. Which is an insane amount of time to give them to recover. Greenbull is so comically fearless it's almost bad writing. That's why this statement being used to say he feared Kaidou is hilarious.

Kaidou would get his shit kicked in if he tried to take on that same alliance himself after a whole week of recovery.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
It doesn't matter who he ended up fighting, it's the fact that he moved in on an alliance worth way more than just Kaidou alone. Objectively. There's no twisting that. If he feared Kaidou, he would fear an alliance that defeated Kaidou + Big Mom + Beast Pirates, he couldn't give af though.

You typed all this but said nothing.
yawn, he was afraid of kaido evidently proven.

he went to the outskirts and picked off kaidos commanders who were still heavily damaged and recovering just minding their business.

this is the lot you say who defeated kaido and bm who greenbull fought:


plus base yamato and momo
 
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