Speculations Zoro woud be handicapped in his fight against Shiryu

#24
Shiryu is underrated, a nameless stab changed the tides of the fight against Garp, Aokiji never had the upper hand before that.

A nameless stab, remember. Against Coa champion Garp, not by chance Iron Garp
hat do you mean by "a nameless stab"?

So, if Shiryu screamed a name before the attack, that would magically make it stronger?
 
#27
I thought it was obvious they ran from Magellan because they had no time to fight him lol
This is explicitly stated when Luffy tried to fight Blackbeard, not sure why it wouldn't apply to Magellan too.
Every single second was precious there because they had to go save Ace. They aren't going to stop to beat up Magellan.
 
#28
I thought it was obvious they ran from Magellan because they had no time to fight him lol
This is explicitly stated when Luffy tried to fight Blackbeard, not sure why it wouldn't apply to Magellan too.
Every single second was precious there because they had to go save Ace. They aren't going to stop to beat up Magellan.
Not to mention they’re planning on joining the biggest war in generations, they don’t need to waste energy on defeating Magellan. Even Iva was fine after fighting Magellan one v one…
 
#29
Overpower =/= defeat

Okay Krieg and Lucci both didn’t get defeated
Are you reading a different manga lmao? Don Krieg was coping like Lucci yet they were heavily injured not having any strength to do something afterwards which is funny since Lucci wasn't even capable to move his ass near the building besides him to even save his partner Kaku and instead he begged march.

Don Krieg was defeated despite his coping and Jin acknowldged that.

 
#30
Shiryu would be handicapped when he fighting Zoro

Shiryu just high diffed the Corazon of Blackbeard Pirates, Aokiji then has to fight Zoro right after
 
#31
Oda way of telling us Zori is strong is nerf zori.
Against king - Mink Medicine time limit + Double the damage taken from king + Kaidou + Hakai + Bigmam.
 
#32
Not to mention they’re planning on joining the biggest war in generations, they don’t need to waste energy on defeating Magellan. Even Iva was fine after fighting Magellan one v one…
Also notice how Oda had it so Croc and Jinbe were somewhat nerfed. Croc being up against a guy who's power is a very potent liquid (so it'd be harder to use his sand fruit) and Jinbe not having any water there whatsoever.
No matter if they'll still win or not, it would have been pretty annoying and time consuming considering the disadvantages they had.
 
#34
Are you reading a different manga lmao? Don Krieg was coping like Lucci yet they were heavily injured not having any strength to do something afterwards which is funny since Lucci wasn't even capable to move his ass near the building besides him to even save his partner Kaku and instead he begged march.

Don Krieg was defeated despite his coping and Jin acknowldged that.

Lucci took Jinbe’s attack right after zoro’s was still conscious pupils and all. We also was taking to his boss mars
 
#35
Also notice how Oda had it so Croc and Jinbe were somewhat nerfed. Croc being up against a guy who's power is a very potent liquid (so it'd be harder to use his sand fruit) and Jinbe not having any water there whatsoever.
No matter if they'll still win or not, it would have been pretty annoying and time consuming considering the disadvantages they had.
Yeah not to mention crocs been in seastone cuffs for months straight without a single rest. Magellans strong, but all that was heavily situational. All of these characters wanted to go to Marineford so they couldn’t waste time with Magellan even more knowing that if they did Magellans back up would be sure to arrive.

If magellans not in ID, I don’t think he’s soloing the crocodile we saw in Marineford.
 
#36
Can handicap Zoro or make Raiu a cursed sword and give Shiryu advCOC. Then there's also an option to make awakened clear-clear fruit OP. Heck Oda can give Shiryu something like Ashura.
 
#37
This manga is 27 years old and you still didn't notice it?... power levels in One Piece are inconstant, people. Shiryu will be as strong as he needs to be.

If Oda needs Mr. 5's and Mr. 3's DF powers to be good enough to capture 2 of the most powerful Elbaf giants, who now have an updated bounty of 1.8 bil each, he'll have it done (already happened). If Oda needs pre-skip Smoker to be strong enough to stall Ace, despite not being able to beat Vergo post-skip, he'll be (already happened). If Oda needs pre-skip Crocodile to be strong enough to clash against New World veterans with well-developed haki, despite losing to Arabasta Luffy, he'll be (already happened). And so on...
 
#38
Also all the straw hats will be handicapped against their BBP villains. Their entire kit is they’re underhanded and can nerf opponents to beat them.
 

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#40
It’s not a single anti-feat… Luffy and Magellan had a full fight… That means everything from speed to power to endurance were tested and Magellan fell short compared to fucking pre time skip luffy

in fact I would argue that him taking out the Blackbeard pirates IS THE OUTLIER FEAT since it relied on a type advantage of poison… the moment Teach and friends got an antidote to the poison, Magellans actual stats, Speed power and endurance FOLDED AGAIN

So Magellan lost TWICE and both times he lost when his poison was stopped from instantly one shotting everyone… when his actual physical stats are put to the test, he loses immediately

there is NO YC1 that relies on their gimmick as much as this… King’s gimmick was lunarian defense but he was still actually strong enough to push Zoro in direct combat and speed… same for Marco who people thought was just a regeneration merchant but he turned out to have actual power feats too

no yc1 can lost to pre time skip Luffy, no matter what the handicap





And when Luffy got the armor to protect from the poison

read the rest above
Not reading this. He low-mid diffed Ivankov who stomps pre skip Luffy and scales to high level commanders (Morley, Karasu). He took Ivankov's attack as well, so any preskip Luffy antifeat is rendered useless.
 
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