Controversial General Political Discussion

[Blax Blah]

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The only thing to do about these issues is overcome, if people who could make a big difference with a few button presses want to make ads and spend their wealth and want to ignore it then alrighty there will be no direct help coming from them,

And if I may share something from the Bible about charity the Bible dismisses everything and says that without charity it is nothing


1 Corinthians 13:1-13


13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

We must fight for Ouïghours but we do not have the same capacity of pression on Chine as we have on Israel. Also, there is a risk of IMMINENT death happening at the moment so like doctors prioritizing patient, we also prioritize our fights.

Well Germany could have done quite a bit but they didn't because of 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

I'm the only one

You're not,stop.

You are in no place to give me moral lessons about my political fights.

They why are YOU doing the.exact sane thing you are criticising but when you do it it's OK?

Go take a look at the leftist library

No i can get my info from real sources that are NOT to be found on a weeb forum.

"Islamism" is a word that is currently used to oppress muslim in Europe by confusing them with any kind of extremist ideology.

False. There is a big difference between Islam the religion and Islamism, just like moderate Christians are not the same as evangelical fundamentalists

Are you taking about the great replacement theory here ?

It's getting ridiculous
I'm talking about the extremist organizations that make public speeches in Germany calling for the establishment of a caliphate
This happened and if you don't know what you are talking about simply stop talking

2024 is crazy.

20 days to go.

Wonder what else will happen.

More death and destruction awaits us. What? You expect things to die down and for eternal peace to grace our twisted societies? Keep dreaming then.

Indeed, that's why neutral science is problematic.

That's why fastfood should be boycotted among other reasons. It's strange that some people need McDonald's to be involved with Israel for them to stop buying their poison.

 

[Blax Blah]

And the way we overcome is by doing what we think should be done reasonably speaking, they don't want to donate to poor people, ok let's get money ourselves and do that, capitalism did not come through the charity of feudal lords, neither will a people controlled movement come from the charity of capitalists,

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

capitalism did not come through the charity of feudal lords, neither will a people controlled movement come from the charity of capitalists

Yes

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

And people are not obligated to watch or defend people who are promoting the supports of genocides and apartheid

Bro literally shut the fuck up lmao

If you unironically think by doing a paid ad for a company is him "promoting the support of genocide", then you unironically need to touch grass and go seek help. You might have some undiagnosed shit you should get checked out.

Inaki is an actor doing a job, not a high moral ground activist trying to look like a good person.

Literally get your head out of your ass lol.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

What’s wrong with him being in a McDonald’s commercial?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866117741012558238

 

[KonyaruIchi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866134403086270931

They do understand actors are not obligated to adhere to terminally online activism wannabe politics right? Get off Inaki's nuts lol

It's perfectly fine for people to want to boycott corporations they dislike, lord knows most companies are absolutely soul sucking and without morals, McD's is no exception.

However, and it's insane I even need to say this, but harassing a random actor who played a character because he did an ad for said company is ridiculous. Go after the CEO or Corporate, not the guy who got paid to promote some product for it.

This is just performative outrage, twitter roaches can't actually do anything that requires effort or would create actual change so they go for the low hanging fruits like harassing people, absolutely despicable behaviour.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866117741012558238

Boycotts are good but harassing an actor for a commercial is wild.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Segwaying to "real science" to use as an example of what the 3 of us are saying, Doctors, scientist, politicians, and reporters claimed that tobacco was not only healthy, but had health benefits. Turns out they all knew that was a lie and were paid off(lobbying) by tobacco companies to say so. The lung cancer became too big for them to hide.

Nestle claimed their formula was better than breastmilk for babies, and scientists and doctors said it was true. Turns out the formula was very toxic and they were being paid to say it was safe.

Even Crack cocaine of all things was called safe because Coco Cola lobbied hard to have scientist and doctors say so.

Even science and health is locked behind a paywall.

What Nestle did to mothers/children disgusts me so much.

The worst part regarding Tobacco is that the plant itself isn't even that bad; they intentionally fill the cigars/cigarettes with toxic fillers. The Native Americans had normal consumption of Tobacco. The cigarette companies would take industrial waste and shove it into their products in order to dispose of their trash, make money off of doing so, and make people sick so they would fuel the medical industry.

It's all cyclical and disgusting.

Glad people are getting sick of being lied to, a lot of awakening is occurring.

 

[Logiko]

Well Germany could have done quite a bit but they didn't because of 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

It's not easy. We don't have a lot of leverage on China sadly.

You're not,stop.

You have missed a lot of pages of this thread mate and the political section in general...

They why are YOU doing the.exact sane thing you are criticising but when you do it it's OK?

I'm only criticizing bad and hurtfull positions. NEVER someone who choose to prioritize one fight over another.

We all fight in different manner. Here, I'm criticizing people who trash people calling out the promotion of McDonalds. This critic is legitimate in front of the context, the vertu signaling and the comparison between fights is not.

No i can get my info from real sources that are NOT to be found on a weeb forum.

I'm only on the fence with you to see if I should consider you as a political ally or a social traitor.. Thanks for showing me the path.

False.

Wrong. it's true. it's so true in fact that Muslim in France are systematically targetted in the media based on this usage.

I'm talking about the extremist organizations that make public speeches in Germany calling for the establishment of a caliphate

Yeah.. sadly, germany is not the entire Europe and muslim and targeted on the principle that they are all extremist. Also, those people are no better than those who want to reintegrate christianity as the prime religion in my country. It's 50 nuances of far right.

It's getting ridiculous
I'm talking about the extremist organizations that make public speeches in Germany calling for the establishment of a caliphate
This happened and if you don't know what you are talking about simply stop talking

I know exactly what I'm talking about since I was on the side that denounced this exact things until I understood that it was a marginal movement, not related to the majority of muslims.

So saying that the left is making out with that kind of ideology (which is a far right ideology, don't forget that) it's confusionnistic at best.

If you want to see real progerssist and LEFTIST muslims I can show you some.

That's why fastfood should be boycotted among other reasons. It's strange that some people need McDonald's to be involved with Israel for them to stop buying their poison.

It's easy to say that when you have other choices.

Sadly, for many, Mc Donalds is simpler and cheeper than regular food. It's also more addictive which means that people in difficulty are more likely to buy it.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

It's perfectly fine for people to want to boycott corporations they dislike, lord knows most companies are absolutely soul sucking and without morals, McD's is no exception.

Aye I have zero issues with the boycott, I need to make that clear. But I have all the issues in the world with people who think virtue signaling a man for literally just doing a gig (that gives him exposer as an actor) is okay because the company has done some shitty things in another country.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866134403086270931

They do understand actors are not obligated to adhere to terminally online activism wannabe politics right? Get off Inaki's nuts lol

There is zero moral obligation for anyone to follow a boycott

If you care about Palestine enough to boycott McDonald’s go ahead.

But it isn’t a moral imperative for people to do so. Fact is that merely existing in the economy involves taking part in a system that exploits others.

Even if I never eat out and only buy groceries, the groceries I eat were likely procured through the exploitation of illegal immigrants.

Gaza isn’t the only bad thing happening in the world and not everyone needs to obsess over it.

 

[Worst]

This is how i've always seen these issues:

 

[Redboy776]

What does AES mean?

The Alliance of Sahel States (ASS)

In French Alliance Des Etats du Sahel (AES)

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Aye I have zero issues with the boycott, I need to make that clear. But I have all the issues in the world with people who think virtue signaling a man for literally just doing a gig (that gives him exposer as an actor) is okay because the company has done some shitty things in another country.

The Rick and Morty fans who harassed employees over the Szechuan Sauce have evolved into their final form: blaming actors in advertisements for a few McDonalds stores promoting genocide.

Nuance is lost and gone, and I hate how often I fall into crap like this. Like, ya'll know how crazy I am. It's hard to deal with the modern world, for everyone.

 

[Uncle Van]

Aye I have zero issues with the boycott, I need to make that clear. But I have all the issues in the world with people who think virtue signaling a man for literally just doing a gig (that gives him exposer as an actor) is okay because the company has done some shitty things in another country.

It's like saying anyone who has a job is complacent in/supports capitalist exploitation and war.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1865610026246610944

PREACH

 

[AL sama]

tell people to stop using their phones computers social media Amazon and whatnot cause these things support genocide by backing Israel

 

[KonyaruIchi]

It's like saying anyone who has a job is complacent in/supports capitalist exploitation and war.

Yep, absolutely. Honestly with enough mental gymnastics this can be applied to anything. Exploitation of minorities in poor countries for electronics (particularly the mines for metals and minerals). Foodstuffs coming from poor countries with shit pays and bad working conditions. Clothes coming from sweatshops in Bangladesh or India.

This is why this whole thing to me is very performative, Gaza's situation is terrible but the only reason a lot of people care enough to complain about it is because it's a high profile issue and it gives them brownie points on social media

 

[NAMELESS]

Chill on what exactly ? You guyz are the one spreading missinformation




I debunked literally each one of your points. Are you for real right now ?



Ok.. i'm entering emoji mode, I was wrong to take you seriously for a second, you guyz are back in post-truth rethorics..



That's not what gaslighting is my guy





You are confusing yourself on your own. I'm not responsible for you trusting missinformations.



That's called being smart.

I do fear the BAN hammer because I know full well that I'm in ennemy territory. This is not a safe place.

Does it means that I should respect those who are saying BS ? Nah. But I reply to you with facts, not insults. You simply refuse to accept them.

There are sooooo many way to see that.



I'm so scary





You missed the 2571 pages mate.


Comparing two situations that have nothing in common is. You would have talked about Ukrained or Congo.. well I would have listenned, but the destructions of rainforest and the endangering of natives is not really the same thing as an apartheid and a genocide on top of multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity when all mainstream media and politics are on the side of the oppressors...

Come on..



The left worldwide is doing the job. What you are talking about here are liberals, not leftists.

Those who disguise themselves as progressist but do absolutely nothing against people in power.

The left do what it can. Instead of trashing it, maybe we should help it.



I know and the comprison is bad. Period.

And right now, you are confusing putting a priority on Gaza (which SHOULD be the priority of everyone) and looking away in front of horrible things happening all over in the world.

1. Everyone has different way to fight and everyone can't fight for everything.
2. It's not has easy to counter different problems such as the destructions of rainforest, post-colonialism and the genocide
3. It's a fallacious rethoric. Prioritizing is NOT looking away.

So stop this fallacious thinking please and listen to people who are trying to tell you that there is a priority at the moment on top of all other priorities.


Nobody is saying that we must boycott Inaki, I love the guy, I tell you that we must boycott mcdonald. Inaki just made a communication mistake.

Most likely because he is depoliticized.



No. I recognize this rethoric, it's the same I had when I was slipping into Islamophobia myself.

So I'm telling you, don't fall for it.

Mulsim are not your ennemies.


I'm talking about muslims in Europe.


About your statement on the left.



This is exactly what I'm doing.

I myself have been boycotting Mc Donald since I know the BDS movement and the involvement of the brand in Israel. Same for Carrefour and other brands.

(Even if it's not always easy)

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It's not a one day thing.

No, that is called being a coward. Everyone(including the mods) knows you make your shit out of your imagination all the time. Everyone here is familiar with your game.

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Exactly.

It's funny that I'm the one being flamed as being gaslighting people by people who are the actual gaslighters.

- Like I'm the one using actual datas and scientific consensus ?? >>>>>"I'm the one denying reality or science"

- A put some context on the words of someone confusing communication and consensus in order to counter people implying that we shouldn't trust science or scientist ? >>>>> "I'm distording reality and I gaslight by moving the goalpost"

- I'm explaining that we must fight for Gaza ? >>>>> "I'm hypocrite and ignoring the problems linked to colonialism and capitalism" (even when I'm literally the only one constantly talking about it)

- I'm labelling people people of their toxic position in order to stop their behavior ? >>>>> "I'm a toxic person who is insane"

- I'm calling out the BS missinformation of people based on actual political basis and field activists >>>>> "I don't know anything and I don't understand what the left is"

It's really something this forum (those are all things that were actually said btw)







Indeed, that's why neutral science is problematic.

This is something that I explained in details around the first thousands of pages of this thread.

While the conclusions of science can be neutral. The process is not. It never is. It's full of biases and blindspot.

BUT

This is the best process we have. Hence, we must stick to it in the most ethical way possible. And this requiere for science to be political on top of being rigorous.

A simple exemple at the moment is the lack of women and the biases against women researchers in science. Well, to counter that, we need to push the other way. And this means being much more inclusive and aware of those biases when we are doing science.

This means political changes, economical changes, methodological changes even.

Your lack of self awareness is fucking hilarious.