Speculations The Ideals of the Void Century War

#1
When Vegapunk called the void century war a war of ideals where Punk couldn’t claim who was in the right, it was a laughable take. We’ve seen the aftermath of the war and the kind of horror the world government has imposed on the verse. However, maybe it truly was a war of ideals where neither were necessarily in the right or wrong.

1. Why did this war occur

I believe this war occurred because the people of the world were living in fear of the dominant race of the verse, Dragons. The symbolism of humans living under dragons heels have been around ever since we met boa Hancock in Amazon Lily and we saw the world governments symbol of slavery.

And since we know that Dragons were canon in the verse I believe the Celestial Dragons perpetuating the status quo that the dragons set up is pretty likely. Especially since in essence, they only enslave people whose nations did not initially join their alliance during the void century.

So with the idea of dragons attacking the world, normal people living in fear of these beasts, why was the war between two groups of “humans?” Because the two camps argued about how to survive the dragons, Emigration or Revolution.

2. Joyboys Side

Joyboy I believe was on the side of emigrating all people to a new land. A supercontinent artificially created in the white White Sea through the power of the ancient weapons and the One Piece. As I mentioned in a previous theory I believe the one piece is a super magnetic designed to combine the continents of the verse into one pangaea and the ancient weapons are designed to accomplish this goal rather than make war.

The reason I believe Joyboy would opt for this approach rather than revolting against the dragons is because of Oden. As many people look at Skypeia as a microcosm of the adventure, I believe we can look at Wano as a microcosm of the Final War. Despite my personal distaste for the arc, looking at what Wano and Kaido were, a Dragon along with his crew of other “dragons” who were defeated by Joyboy and his crew it’s not a huge reach to see the connections between this and the fight with the world government. And with this train of thought, Oden does make sense as a Joyboy “parallel” in the sense of taking Wano as a microcosm. And as we saw, when Oden was faced with a choice between revolution against Orochi and Kaido or Emigrating his people away from Wano, he chose to take his people away. I can fully picture Joyboy making the same choice in a similar circumstance which is why I believe Emigration and avoiding bloodshed was Joyboys ideal in this war.

3. Imus Side

Since Joyboy was Emigration, I believe Imu was Revolution, or in a more accurate term Extermination. Exterminating inconveniences appears to be the World Governments MO and I fully believe that it would be thematically fitting if this began with the Dragons. Looking at the world government, our most recent revelation about the organization is that the world government would partake in Native Hunting when people or countries grew to troublesome. And I believe, if we look at the entire world as one land, the Void Century War being a World Wide Native Hunting Competition where the alliance and Joyboy would go throughout the world and hunt and kill dragons makes a lot of sense.

4. What led to Joyboy vs Imu

Now that I’ve discussed the two ideals, the question of how did these ideals turn into a war between Joyboys faction and Imus faction. And personally I don’t think you have to think too hard to answer the question, rather put Luffy in Joyboys place and consider, what would Luffy need for this fight to occur. The answer? Joyboy was friends with a dragon. That’s likely all it was. Looking at Luffy, no matter what his friends did in the past, if they were his friends he’d kill and die for them, and they for him. And since Luffy is literally seen as the second coming of Joyboy, I have to imagine Joyboy had the same philosophy.

It’s very likely that only a few dragons were alive by the end of the void century, and one of them Joyboy was personally protecting which caused he and Imus fight.

5. How the war is ongoing

With the talk of what the war is about, the question must be posed, he can it still not be over yet? We have not seen naturally born dragons in century, so logically the war should be over.

I believe there are two reasons this war did not end 800 years ago. The first being the D. The will of D marks individuals as enemies of the Celestial Dragons. I believe this may also circle back to being connected to the dragons. I believe that Oda is going to have the D be a power that the Joyboys friend the Dragon gave Joyboys crew to fight the world government with. We’ve gotten hints to the meaning of the D since Drum Kingdom with the “D will always cause a storm.” I believe that these Ds have the power of dragons inside of them, namely the power of the ocean and storms. The reason this is possible is because of Fishman Island where we are alluded to the past existence of a dragon that in Japanese folklore is known as the God of the Ocean Ryujin. As such, the World Governments war against the dragons hasn’t ended, because their power still exists in the world as the D.

The second reason is because I don’t believe the dragons were exterminated. I think the proof to this resides on Roger’s ship which has held an egg larger than any animal in the verse could possibly lay. IMO I believe it’s possible that this is a Dragon egg Roger found on his journey. The main reasons is the size of the egg, yeah Oda makes giant animals so it’s not concrete proof, but we still have yet to see an animal big enough to lay such an egg, and the Edd War. The Edd war I believe is a very strong tell about the Egg as according to the narrator, Roger’s ship was about to meet its demise in the war before a freak weather incident occurred, a massive storm allowed the Roger pirates to escape and saved Roger’s ship. Obviously that doesn’t feel like a coincidence and the fact that this storm was directly stated to have protected Roger’s ship is why I believe the egg summoned the storm.

And since, one dragon egg is out there, I believe the second reason the war is still on going is because the Dragons eggs are still out there in the world. I believe Joyboy himself hid them by flooding the world using the ancient weapons. This may seem harsh for Joyboy to do, but the reason I believe Joyboy could be the person to have done so is because it’s something Luffy would do and something similar to something Joyboys already done.

First on it being something Luffy would do, if Luffy found himself in a scenario where he may not win, he’s the type to make sure his opponent would lose as well. Look at his handling in the Baratie Luffy saw a no win scenario while Zeff was held hostage so, what did he do? He started trying to sink the entire restaurant. That simpleminded thinking is something he and Joyboy likely shared. If Joyboy saw that he couldn’t win, he would sink the very world so that Imu loses too.

Now as for it being something Joyboy seemingly has already done, look no further than Wano where Joyboy hid the Pluton for the future then closed Wanos borders causing the nation to flood.

Joyboy flooding the world to protect his friends treasure makes sense for a character who is supposed to be very similar to Luffy imo.

TLDR:
The void century war was between Joyboys faction who wanted to have all people leave the world to the dragons and Imus faction who wanted to take the world from the dragons. Joyboy and Imus fight occurred because Joyboy befriended a dragon and the war isn’t over because Dragon Eggs still exist in the world and the Will of D means the dragons powers still exist as well.
 
#3
Agreed! I do think the Dragons Are Coming! I do believe there's something going on here that Oda's been foreshadowing for a while.

I might have a few differing opinions on the details, though.

For one, I think Joyboy probably didn't want to live separate from the Dragons. I think Joyboy's side wanted to live WITH the Dragons together. Finding a way to share the land together, rather than living apart. Why? Uhh...I'll admit, it just feels like a more "hopeful" thing to do? I just think it feels more optimistic for Joyboy to want all these different people to live together in harmony, rather than living separately from each other. Joyboy probably liked a good party, if Luffy's any indication. And a party's more fun when you invite EVERYONE.

Second, I think the Dragon's ARE still alive, but maybe not just as Dragon eggs. I think it's possible that the Dragons are frozen and imprisoned in the icy core of the planet. We know from Brook that there is a literal physical Underworld that seems to be icy and frozen, since his soul made a journey from there back to his body (Chapter 443). And I think the rising sea levels are being caused by the Ancient Weapons melting this icy core of the planet. Joyboy likely wanted to use the Ancient Weapons to thaw out the imprisoned frozen Dragons, but Imu is cranking up the power enough to "flash fry" them! Imu is actually killing two birds with one stone. Using the Ancient Weapons to destroy rebellious islands, while ALSO killing the Dragons at the core of the world with every shot. And I think we've seen a bit of what this Frozen Underworld could look like on Punk Hazard. Vegapunk or Caesar had a room full of frozen Giants, and we never really got a explanation for what that was all about (Chapter 660). I think that could have been a cross section cut from the core of the planet showing us the topmost layer of this Underworld. Dragons are still basically reptiles and probably go dormant in the cold, a lot like how Oars was frozen in Thriller Bark. I believe all of this to be related.

Now, Roger's Mystery Egg could still be a Dragon Egg. That's entirely possible. But, I think there MIGHT be more Dragons out there that we haven't seen yet. And if they do come back, likely they'll be righteously angry at Humanity. So, the final conflict might be Humanity fighting against a army of Dragons erupting from the center of the planet all around the world. A army of Kaido-level threats suddenly appearing from everywhere all at once.

Anyone interested can read more here:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...message-will-be-the-dragons-are-coming.55673/

But, even though we might disagree on the details, I do still agree with the broad concept. I do think the Dragons were the original inhabitants of this world. I do believe that Humans probably stole this world from them. And I do think the final conflict in this story will revolve around whether or not to allow them to come back into the World.
 
#5
The biggest question for me is how both sides ended up so equally matched and how the current winners were still unable to utterly defeat their enemy and are still afraid they may come back. For all we know the WG held absolute power over the world for centuries.

Imo the key to all this is the ancient weapons and that the WG hold one, but was unable to use it anymore for some reason.
Now with the mother flame they might be able to use it again. Even if not at full capacity.
Joyboys/Pirates side could still get access to an Ancient Weapon that still work, while the WG has access to an Ancient Weapon that works only very limited and only because of a new invention by VP.
This would explain how the Joyboy faction would theoretically still be able to turn the tides in the struggle even when they were nearly wiped out and under centuries of WG rule.

I suppose the Mother Flame is created after studying Lunarians. The WG only recently caught Alber and could then create a derivate of their fire to powe the Ancient Weapon.
This also explains why they suddenly were not able to use thier Ancient Weapon anymore. With the Lunarians (almost) exctinct the required source of power was gone.
They did not want to waste their last Lunarian and therefore were required to find an alternative based on their powers. The mother flame. Or now, maybe even the Seraphim.

At this point I feel like I am rambling so I will leave it at that.
 
#6
My theory:

With the notable exception of Totto Land, pretty much every location we have seen is populated by humans, like 99%, right? Only Giants are the ones who seem to regularly live alongside humans.

However, it seemed the Ancient Kingdom had positive ties to non-human nations, like the Ryugu Kingdom, the Mokomo Duchy and the unnamed Lunarian kingdom.

So, my theory is the impetuous for the war was racial based. The Twenty Kingdoms were human supremacists and the Ancient Kingdom was for multi-racialism.
 
#7
My theory:

With the notable exception of Totto Land, pretty much every location we have seen is populated by humans, like 99%, right? Only Giants are the ones who seem to regularly live alongside humans.

However, it seemed the Ancient Kingdom had positive ties to non-human nations, like the Ryugu Kingdom, the Mokomo Duchy and the unnamed Lunarian kingdom.

So, my theory is the impetuous for the war was racial based. The Twenty Kingdoms were human supremacists and the Ancient Kingdom was for multi-racialism.
The main concern with this is there’s a very clear good vs bad line with the war being racially motivated and if Vegapunk calls racism an ideal he doesn’t know is good or bad, then yikes.
 
#12
The Twenty Kingdoms were human supremacists and the Ancient Kingdom was for multi-racialism.
Which puts Big Mom's and Kaido's dreams into perspective, one wanted an army of non humans and the other collected non human races as objectified tokens. Both were kinda on the right track but took the wrong turn mid way.
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Well, he sure had no issues in experimenting on Kaido the Oni and King the Lunarian, or making the artifical ancient giant Numbers...
Vegapunk and by extension all affiliated scientists + germa are heavily inspired by German ( racial) scientists who are known to have been rather immoral. All that's missing is a Japanese representative, their empire was equally terrible.
 
#13
Which puts Big Mom's and Kaido's dreams into perspective, one wanted an army of non humans and the other collected non human races as objectified tokens. Both were kinda on the right track but took the wrong turn mid way.
Yes, they're both corrupted versions of JoyBoy, who likely just wanted the whole world, humans and not, to be his nakama. No armies, no subordinates, no borders. Eating, partying, and having adventures together.
 
#15
Which puts Big Mom's and Kaido's dreams into perspective, one wanted an army of non humans and the other collected non human races as objectified tokens. Both were kinda on the right track but took the wrong turn mid way.
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Vegapunk and by extension all affiliated scientists + germa are heavily inspired by German ( racial) scientists who are known to have been rather immoral. All that's missing is a Japanese representative, their empire was equally terrible.
It is wild that no one in the Straw Hats, ESPECIALLY Nami, never once called Vegapunk out for making child soldier-slaves in the Seraphim.
 
#17
It is wild that no one in the Straw Hats, ESPECIALLY Nami, never once called Vegapunk out for making child soldier-slaves in the Seraphim.
Caesar is evil because made the children addicted to candy, but VP is on the good guys' side because he's simply pumping greenblood into them. Yay for VP, who will not make the kids get cavities.
 
#18
Sorry, getting back to the original idea, the only thing about it Yasheen, that I have an issue with, is that the only real dragons we have seen, which was at Punk Hazard...weren't really intelligent at all. Bestial, really. While they certainly could be dangerous, I'm unsure of such dragons being rulers of the world.
 
#19
Sorry, getting back to the original idea, the only thing about it Yasheen, that I have an issue with, is that the only real dragons we have seen, which was at Punk Hazard...weren't really intelligent at all. Bestial, really. While they certainly could be dangerous, I'm unsure of such dragons being rulers of the world.
Lmao you good. And those weren’t real dragons, they were genetically engineered fakes by Vegapunk.

Also the fandom once considered Seakings as Bestial in nature; however, we were shown in Fishman Island that these are intillegent creatures with their own culture and theology. I believe we may see something similar with the dragons of the verse.
 
#20
Lmao you good. And those weren’t real dragons, they were genetically engineered fakes by Vegapunk.

Also the fandom once considered Seakings as Bestial in nature; however, we were shown in Fishman Island that these are intillegent creatures with their own culture and theology. I believe we may see something similar with the dragons of the verse.
Fair point. It's also fair to say said dragons could also be inferior to the real deal, as well.
 
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