Role Madness Fate/ Mafia V.2 [Night 2]

[Stargate18]

I like the vote, but what's your reasoning?

Sera came into the game and immediately hardfocused on Yoho's assumption, attempting to push them for a large number of posts.

This feels like either Sera wanted to start pushing someone (and is scum), or that Sera is distancing from Yoho by making a pointless argument (and is scum). Either way, Sera's scummy and the best option to vote right now IMO.

 

[Stargate18]

Mind you, this was the reasoning when I voted. Every post Sera's made since then makes them look even worse IMO, with them focusing on personal attacks and ignoring any questions posed about their behaviour.

 

[Seraphoenix]

That is categorically not what you said. You said "Ratchet has energy, let's see if he keeps it up". The implication there is obvious - it's something that can be faked early, is inherently town-leaning, but something you'll want to see if I will maintain later. You absolutely did *not* frame it as something you read as inherently scum-indicative.

? I'm expanding on the reason. I initially said your energy on D1 means nothing. So why would you get a town tead off that? It's neutral at best. No need to get flustered

 

[Flower]

Flower: Scum lean. She tried buddying up to Ratchet earlier and also voted for someone who thought she was sus with a very very weak excuse.
Ratchet: Scum lean.

Those two don’t go alongside each other.

If I‘m scum and buddy up to Ratchet he wouldn’t be scum.

Same for me being scum if Ratchet is. Scum mates aren’t openly buddying with each other.

Vote Sera.

This list just feels like you trying to discredit your pushers by painting the narrative they’re scum.

 

[Flower]

@Stargate18 do you have a reads list for me?

 

[Seraphoenix]

Those two don’t go alongside each other.

If I‘m scum and buddy up to Ratchet he wouldn’t be scum.

Same for me being scum if Ratchet is. Scum mates aren’t openly buddying with each other.

Vote Sera.

This list just feels like you trying to discredit your pushers by painting the narrative they’re scum.

They could if they think your argument here would work. People expect scum mates to bus each other so don't really suspect friendly relations.

Also noted that you avoided my question.

 

[Seraphoenix]

This is now the second time Flower votes for someone who sussed her.

 

[Stargate18]

@Stargate18 do you have a reads list for me?

Been writing one since I woke up.

Current readlist is: (Tiers are not ranked within themselves)

Strong Town
Stargate18 - Obviously.
Ratchet - Actively solving in a constructive way.
Michelle - Ditto, and has provided a detailed readlist.
Flower - Actively questioning people and attempting to solve.

Weak Town
Yoho - Not a huge amount of content, but feels towny and is unpaired with Sera.
Muugen - Despite pushing me is also pushing other people actively, and is strongly unpaired with Sera.
tepig19283 - Opening is well within what I've seen of tepig's townrange, but not much content yet.
Fujishiro - Large amount of shitposting, but more content/reads than other shitposters.

Null
Yo Tan Wa - Not much to go on yet, opening seems NAi.
Mr. Reloaded - Entirely shitposting so far, can't read the slot yet.
Alexis2282AE - ...Also shitposting, or at least using gif-posting as a justification for not actually doing much.

Scum
Handium - Despite posting about their mafia experience, has made no actual commentary on the game itself.
Saber - Even if they're possibly under a post restriction, they're not contributing whatsoever.
Seraphoenix - No real contributions, aggressive pushing, feels extremely scummy.

 

[Flower]

This is now the second time Flower votes for someone who sussed her.

And? Should I just ignore bad pushes in me?

Been writing one since I woke up.

Current readlist is: (Tiers are not ranked within themselves)

Strong Town
Stargate18 - Obviously.
Ratchet - Actively solving in a constructive way.
Michelle - Ditto, and has provided a detailed readlist.
Flower - Actively questioning people and attempting to solve.

Weak Town
Yoho - Not a huge amount of content, but feels towny and is unpaired with Sera.
Muugen - Despite pushing me is also pushing other people actively, and is strongly unpaired with Sera.
tepig19283 - Opening is well within what I've seen of tepig's townrange, but not much content yet.
Fujishiro - Large amount of shitposting, but more content/reads than other shitposters.

Null
Yo Tan Wa - Not much to go on yet, opening seems NAi.
Mr. Reloaded - Entirely shitposting so far, can't read the slot yet.
Alexis2282AE - ...Also shitposting, or at least using gif-posting as a justification for not actually doing much.

Scum
Handium - Despite posting about their mafia experience, has made no actual commentary on the game itself.
Saber - Even if they're possibly under a post restriction, they're not contributing whatsoever.
Seraphoenix - No real contributions, aggressive pushing, feels extremely scummy.

Meh. Maybe you're just a struggling Townie.

Btw is your avy supposed to be Ihwa from Hero Killer?

 

[Flower]

(Also Sera, this is a huge double standard since your scum list almost exclusively contains those who scum read you.)

 

[Stargate18]

Btw is your avy supposed to be Ihwa from Hero Killer?

Actually, it's Ryoshu from Limbus Company.

 

[Michelle]

Vote count 1, Day 1 Per post #556​

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to hammer

Saber: 3
Seraphoenix: 3
Flower: 1
Yoho: 1

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Muugen: Saber >
Alexis: Alexis> Saber
Saber: Muugen > Flower
Seraphoenix: Yoho >
Flower: Alexis > Stargate18 > Saber
Yoho: Seraphoenix >
Naomi: Seraphoenix >
Stargate18: Seraphoenix >

non-voters:

Fujishiro
Yo Tan Wa
tepig19283
Michelle


If I missed any vote please let me know

I certainly mixed Sera and Saber and thought the votes are all for Saber.
That mean my conclusion has a wrong base and I'll scratch it.
My bad.

 

[Flower]

Actually, it's Ryoshu from Limbus Company.

WTF LC is also Korean, apparently.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Actually, it's Ryoshu from Limbus Company.

Whatever it is, looks dope.

 

[Flower]

Whatever it is, looks dope.

Yo Tan do you have any reads?

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Yo Tan do you have any reads?

Already gave what i had, Fuji n Tepig are town.

 

[Flower]

Already gave what i had, Fuji n Tepig are town.

Not more than that? No thoughts on Nao, Muugen or me, for example?

 

[Flower]

You respond to Flower's vote by saying it's weak and then expanding upon it in a separate posts, which implies that you're bothered by it. Flower expanded upon it and you reacted ina way to garner sympathy, that's the "oh well" part where you make a point to note that you're not happy with it, but want to pass it off as if you're not phased. Then Flower says she doesn't care and you let it be known that you do care.

You can argue sophistry with a wall, you were clearly upset/bothered by the vote and wanted to make that known while trying to pass it off as if it didn't bother you, a sentiment which you didn't stay consistent with because... you were upset. This is hard to fake as scum hence my read.

Come on Fuji, I wasn't born yesterday. Yes I concede there is a part of your response that probably was trying to discern Flower's alignment. But you can't tell me that sequence is you entirely unphased and completely untethered by the treatment. It's textbook.

I think you'd be ascribing far too much of what I did uncharitably if you think I had a) read the OP b) decided it would be a good idea to bait a flavour claim out of you. Standard procedure for Miller claims is to get their claim in full, at minimum, flavour. I you want to be mad at me for it, go ahead, but I did what I always do.

Okay, to what ends though? What's your conclusion holistically here?

Easiest town read of my life!

Very nice, anything else to add about the game or...?

Kek

No, just found the response funny. Was expecting a proper answer and he came back with that, also thought it was townie of them

Michelle probably town

Muugen probably town too

I think I was the first person to say I think Sera is pretty scummy. To elaborate on this, he feels more performative than he was last game to me. I think he's new, so I kinda want to see how that plays out, because he's not going to have a clearly defined meta yet, but I felt like he's come into the thread looking to suspect everyone and everything. One example being, accusing Fuji of faking being baited. It's pretty clear to me that his intent there is to muddy the water, but he doesn't actually accuse Fuji of anything, nor does he even explain why Fuji would even bother faking it. Also think he's been kinda soft around me too, but that's clearly more subjective.

That is categorically not what you said. You said "Ratchet has energy, let's see if he keeps it up". The implication there is obvious - it's something that can be faked early, is inherently town-leaning, but something you'll want to see if I will maintain later. You absolutely did *not* frame it as something you read as inherently scum-indicative.

Ye, still fine with my Town lean there. Ratchet's first focus is on the players I expect it to be on (like Fuji, myself, Michelle, Muugen) and who he tends to read well to get trying to figure out our alignments out of the way and focus on slots that he needs to look into more. Ofc he knows that if he's scum, too, but "removing so many people from the equation" makes his play much harder If he's scum since he isn't leaving himself much room for mislynches (and if he's scum I doubt he just throws a Town lean on team mates in this manner, so the people he called Town so far would just be Town if he's scum.)

 

[Flower]

Yo, Town God is here.​

Wassup man,

you mentioned me thrice xD

Town

Maybe I'm just gonna add Yo Tan to my Town list, too, because posts like these look like these "unwarranted entitlement" posts to me which Yo Tan had in the previous games and demanded people Town read him despite him not doing jack to earn it.

 

[Stargate18]

Maybe I'm just gonna add Yo Tan to my Town list, too, because posts like these look like these "unwarranted entitlement" posts to me which Yo Tan had in the previous games and demanded people Town read him despite him not doing jack to earn it.

True, but scum!Yo Tan would probably do the same thing, no? Play into the pattern of previous games and get a townread without having to provide any content.