Chapter Discussion "THE" Elbaph POLITICAL conflict

What concepts do you prefer personnally ? You have 4 votes, choose carefully


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#1
Hi!

We've just entered what might be one of the clearest political arcs in the history of One Piece.

So...

I'm creating a thread to focus the conversation just in case I'm right. Be sure to check back this thread as the arc progresses. Things could get very interesting!

REMEMBER:

There is no politic without conflict.



"Should you venture out and arrive on Elbaf's vast and mysterious soil.. Heed my simple warning :
"If I could only write one thing about this enticing nation, it would be this:"


"Do not linger there for too long"

- Louis Arnot, Explorer -​
 
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#3
Aren't most arcs intertwined with politics somehow? I mean the establishment (WG) is literally the main bad guys of this story lol. What's so special about elbaf according to you?

And I don't really understand what the votes are for, could you please explain that a bit?
"What is so special about Elbaf ?"

It's the birthplace of War of course.

If I'm right, you are about to see the start of... a very heated debate in the fanbase and.. the end of the strawhat crew.

About the poll, just vote for the concepts that you like the most.

Now, don't forget that I love to dramatize everything. I love to analyze storytelling and there are just very few informations right now. So I might just be confusing what I want to see based on the information I have and what will really happen.

But.. be ready, just in case. :shocking:
 
#10
This current setup of the new generation experiencing Peace instead of War is actually quite interesting. I have been thinking that Loki isn't as bad as he is being made out to be and actually killed the King in order to protect Elbaph from some gruesome fate. With the revelations of chapter 1134, the new generation being scared of war, it seems to me that this idea may have more merit than I originally thought.

What if Harald was being manipulated by the WG so that they could weaken Elbaph? Loki found out and Killed Harald in order to protect the Giants and preserve their heritage. In a cruel twist of fate he is actually seen as the bad guy when in fact he was trying to protect them all along. Now the WG, who was said to be scared of Elbaph power, is willing to send operatives into the belly of the beast. Maybe this is why Loki has a special bounty on his head because he killed someone who was working with the WG to achieve their ends?
 
#12
Strength alone sustains kindness and peace.
Knowledge can be useful in many ways, but it's most important in warfare.
Progress, this is a pretty obvious choice, an empire without progress is doomed to die.
Pride is important to keep the morale of the empire high, it's like an engine to keep the soldiers and civilians working for the good of the empire. The only bad thing about pride is that it can lead to arrogance, and arrogance always precedes disaster in warfare.
 
#18
What hints towards that?
I don't think there is a name for this phenomenon in narration, but I have a strong "bad" feeling about the situation as a whole.

- Luffy just lied and made a promisse with Loki, a giant that only wants one thing: blood and war.
- The reunion with Sauf was amazing.. and Oda is making a point at showing how close and bonded the strawhat crew is
- We are in Elbaf and yet.. there is no real conflict (outside of the presence of Shanks/Banks and Loki) or no clear pressure or goal despite the arc being started for a long time now. This is the first time it happens like that.
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- We are literally in the warland, the country that is the birthplace of war
- We know, because of all the narrative and symbolic clue since the start of Elbaph, that Ragnarok is coming that that Luffy is the trigger.
- We know that Ragnarok is a war and the end of the world as we know it.
- We know that this arc is important not only for Usopp and Luffy as character. Because they both had very big expectation of Elbaf.
- We know that the dream of Usopp is to become a proud warrior, just like the giant that he admired so much.
- We know that he and Luffy just learned that the giant stopped thinking about war and focused on peace.
- We know that Oda purpusefully casted out two giants for hundreds years to make us believe that Elbaph was the land of giant warriors too.
- This means that both Usopp's AND the expectations of a part of the fanbase were subverted and not necessarily in a good way (and that's intended that way).
- We know that Luffy and Zoro find them "Lame"
- We also know that Nami find the pride of the warriors of Dorry and Brogy "Lame" also. > cf Little Garden
- We know that that Herald was killed after trying to change the country into a peacefull one
- We know that Oda is taking reference on the woke VS conservative debate in our world
- We know that Loki killed his father.
- We can guess that Luffy is talking to one of the Elders who is taking advices from Loki and his not really doing a good job at his post
- We understand that Fear is fundamental for Loki and the protagonist to be a great warrior
- We know that Fear is fundamental to Usopp
- We also know that Pride is the FUNDAMENTAL to Usopp is this pride is heavily related to the vision he has of his father
- We know that Shanks is coming and with Shanks.. possibly Yassop
- We know that Oda is understanding that to change a generation - just like in Fishmen Island - the adults had to bury their feelings for the greater good. In fact you can see this with Ripley who explains "Do what I say, not what I do".

- Didn't you see that Oda, all along One Piece, cultivated the existing pride of a few members of the crew ? Usopp, Franky, Zoro, others had the opposite road, they had to learn to love themselves: Robin, Nami, Sanji, Chopper.. Other are just over that : Brook, Jinbe, Luffy

- We know that Loki is a trickster that influences both sides in Ragnarök
- Louis Arnot warned us not to stay to long

My guess ?

Louis Arnot is not talking about a curse or an exterior danger, but a problem inherent to the conflict between Progress and Pride present on the island and what it might create in crews... I think this island is about to create a philosophical and political conflict inside the crew. People will side with Loki, people will side with Ripley.

And there will be war on Elbaph...

And in the fanbase.

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BTW people, I added two new concepts that I think are also important in this arc. You can check back your votes.

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What if Harald was being manipulated by the WG so that they could weaken Elbaph? Loki found out and Killed Harald in order to protect the Giants and preserve their heritage. In a cruel twist of fate he is actually seen as the bad guy when in fact he was trying to protect them all along. Now the WG, who was said to be scared of Elbaph power, is willing to send operatives into the belly of the beast. Maybe this is why Loki has a special bounty on his head because he killed someone who was working with the WG to achieve their ends?
Interesting idea

Personnally, I think Loki is wrong and that the new generation of Elbaph is completely right but I also saw people saying that Harald was wrong and Loki was right...



Strength alone sustains kindness and peace.
Strength, but in what form ? For me, kindness is strength, empathy is strength. And for me, the act of war is a failure.


No because Oda won’t write a single thing that radical enough to cause any such response in the fanbase and the strawhats have never cared about politics so they won’t care in Elbaf too
Maybe :shocking:
 
#19
Strength, but in what form ? For me, kindness is strength, empathy is strength. And for me, the act of war is a failure.
The act of war is not a failure, it is a consequence of human nature, our countries are a reflection of our own nature, they are ruled by fear, ambition and selfishness, and that is something that will never change no matter how hard you try.
Kindness and empathy are strengths, but unfortunately they can't stop you from getting your head blown off by an Iwi Tar-21 bullet, you know what can? Resources, wealth, military strength.
Rulers who have only empathy and kindness are doomed to be pawns for the virtuous, look at Edward II and how pathetic he was.
And LOOK how his son did, he started the Hundred Years War, won huge victories at Crecy and Poitiers, killed every single one who betrayed his father and took back the throne to his family, he renovated the entire country's army the best in Europe, England's economy was also the best in the world under his reign.
Compare the England of Edward II, a compassionate and kind king, with the England of Edward III, and you will clearly see which one the civilians and their families were the happiest in, with plenty of resources, jobs and food!

So, yes, Kindness and Empathy are pretty good Strength qualities, but they are not even close to being good enough to protect the safety of your country and the people who are part of your country.
Kind and empathetic kings who don't value the importance of warfare are the absolute most trash kings ever in history, they are even worse than absolute trash scum like Hitler and Mussolini because they feed their own country and people to the virtuous kings.
Absolute garbage they are.
 
#20
"What is so special about Elbaf ?"

It's the birthplace of War of course.

If I'm right, you are about to see the start of... a very heated debate in the fanbase and.. the end of the strawhat crew.

About the poll, just vote for the concepts that you like the most.

Now, don't forget that I love to dramatize everything. I love to analyze storytelling and there are just very few informations right now. So I might just be confusing what I want to see based on the information I have and what will really happen.

But.. be ready, just in case. :shocking:
Haha sure
 
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