General & Others Who are their first mate

[Albino 👑]

Not sure if you read any of my post, but check out the page I posted on "Spoiler: Chapter 962", it specifically says that the Rocks remnants started recruiting 33 years ago. Big Mom was already a pirate alongside Streusen even before joining Rocks (and even had a lot of her children already), but the Big Mom Pirates apparently were formed only 33 years ago.

The first mate isn't necessarily the first to join, it's actually the crewmember with more authority after the captain. And in One Piece we usually have 2nd strongest crewmember as the first mate.

It says they began to gather new recruits. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have members prior only that they were expanding

First mate just means you’re the first to join and that’s what the thread is about
Being the first to join doesn’t automatically mean they have more say or strength than other members. A first mate can be the strongest but that isn’t always the case

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Shanks, could have been Buggy but he refused. I believe he was shown to be alone on some dinghy when he recruited Yasopp.

 

[Albino 👑]

Shanks, could have been Buggy but he refused. I believe he was shown to be alone on some dinghy when he recruited Yasopp.

Do we actually know if yasopp was first to join?

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

It says they began to gather new recruits. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have members prior only that they were expanding

First mate just means you’re the first to join and that’s what the thread is about
Being the first to join doesn’t automatically mean they have more say or strength than other members. A first mate can be the strongest but that isn’t always the case

Yeah, we have at least one of them who had a crewmate before: Linlin. However, it doesn't mean that the Big Mom Pirates started before she joined Rocks (in most of her childhood and teen years, it looked like she was solo, with Streusen just managing things maybe). We also know that Kaido recruited King when he was a teen (maybe a preteen), so the time frame matches. WB might've been in a crew before Rocks, but it looks like their most recent crews (WB's, Kaido's and BM's) started around the same time.

Irl the first mate is the officer with the highest authority in a ship after the captain... it doesn't need to be the most veteran crewmember. One Piece seems to follow suit, but strength seems to be a factor too (e.g.: Suleiman might be Cavendish's first mate, despite being his newest crewmate)... a few crews even have alternative structures (that's why Oda didn't officially name Zoro as the first mate, it's a shared duty between the crewmembers).

Do we actually know if yasopp was first to join?

Yasopp was probably the first one who Shanks had contact, as he was on the East Blue to see Roger's execution and it looked like he was still a teen when he first invited him to his crew (chapter 0). However, we know that Yasopp just joined the Red Hair Pirates after Usopp was born, so I don't think that he was the first to join the Red Hair Pirates.

Spoiler: Chapter 41

 

[JoNdule]

When did this happen? Anyways, Marco was the leader of the WB Pirates after his captain died, so he was obviously the first mate. The manga leaves no doubt.

He was the leader when he grew up
He wasn't that before

You literally got Whitebay, Rakuyo and Vista telling Marco to slow down cause he's a rookie

Which First mate is named rookie or commanded to chill by others ?

You're confusing him being First division commander with him being Firstmate

 

[Blax Blah]

Shanks, could have been Buggy but he refused. I believe he was shown to be alone on some dinghy when he recruited Yasopp.

I imagine Shanks, Buggy and Ben Beckman and Lucky Roux would have a lot of fun together

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

He was the leader when he grew up
He wasn't that before

You literally got Whitebay, Rakuyo and Vista telling Marco to slow down cause he's a rookie

Which First mate is named rookie or commanded to chill by others ?

You're confusing him being First division commander with him being Firstmate

I do remember Whitey Bay saying that, but not the others. Maybe they did boss him around because they were slightly older? WB simply didn't had a first mate then (probably), it was more like a family to him than a pirate crew.

In the same page that Whitey Bay reproves Marco, WB tells everyone to stand back for him to fight Oden... most of them weren't full-fledged pirates probably.

Spoiler: Chapter 963

 

[Albino 👑]

Yeah, we have at least one of them who had a crewmate before: Linlin. However, it doesn't mean that the Big Mom Pirates started before she joined Rocks (in most of her childhood and teen years, it looked like she was solo, with Streusen just managing things maybe). We also know that Kaido recruited King when he was a teen (maybe a preteen), so the time frame matches. WB might've been in a crew before Rocks, but it looks like their most recent crews (WB's, Kaido's and BM's) started around the same time.

Irl the first mate is the officer with the highest authority in a ship after the captain... it doesn't need to be the most veteran crewmember. One Piece seems to follow suit, but strength seems to be a factor too (e.g.: Suleiman might be Cavendish's first mate, despite being his newest crewmate)... a few crews even have alternative structures (that's why Oda didn't officially name Zoro as the first mate, it's a shared duty between the crewmembers).



Yasopp was probably the first one who Shanks had contact, as he was on the East Blue to see Roger's execution and it looked like he was still a teen when he first invited him to his crew (chapter 0). However, we know that Yasopp just joined the Red Hair Pirates after Usopp was born, so I don't think that he was the first to join the Red Hair Pirates.

Spoiler: Chapter 41

That’s not what a first mate is. It literally is just first to join
A first mate, vice captain, and #2 strongest aren’t all the same thing. Can the first recruit also be vice captain and the second strongest but that doesn’t make them the same
Gaining new members =/= starting from scratch

Again even if you don’t count Streusen than perospero is still big moms oldest

Suleiman isn’t the fist mate but he is the second strongest
Shiryu wasn’t the first mate or vice captain he was just the second strongest. Same with Kuzan now

 

[L57]

Who joined first
Looking at other crews confirmed first to join

1. Zoro joined luffy first
2. Rayleigh Roger
3. Streusen Linlin
4. Arber kaido
5. Killer kid
6. Bepo law
7. Ivankov dragon
8. Vergo? Doflamingo
9. Etc

So who was Newgate’s first recruit?
Obviously wasn’t ace oden or teach and Marco and jozu were just apprentices at the time. Tho technically Marco being an apprentice doesn’t really stop him from being the first wbp. IMO outside of Marco it’s between vista, whitey bay, and rakuyo. Why? Because their the most in the front…

Who do you think was teach’s first recruit?
Imo it’s between laffitte and burgess but I lean more towards laffitte since he seems the most standout og member

I don’t think we officially know but im pretty sure Beckman is shanks’s first successful recruit. Them having a relationship similar to kid/killer and Roger/rayleigh Beckman being referred to as his partner

Also on the marine side of things bogard was definitely Garp’s first mate same way helmeppo and Tashigi are to Koby and smoker

For doffy is trebol clown not vergo

 

[Albino 👑]

For doffy is trebol clown not vergo

 

[vikas]

WB's first mate was Marco and he was probably the first to join too. We know for sure that WB started recruiting crewmembers 33 years before the current times (Marco was 12 years old at the time).

Damn this WB looks sus...

 

[L57]

No
He first meey trebol
Vergo was with trebol

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

That’s not what a first mate is. It literally is just first to join
A first mate, vice captain, and #2 strongest aren’t all the same thing. Can the first recruit also be vice captain and the second strongest but that doesn’t make them the same
Gaining new members =/= starting from scratch

Again even if you don’t count Streusen than perospero is still big moms oldest

Suleiman isn’t the fist mate but he is the second strongest
Shiryu wasn’t the first mate or vice captain he was just the second strongest. Same with Kuzan now

It is the textbook definition of first mate: the second most important officer on a ship (Cambridge Dictionary) / the officer on a ship who is most important after the captain (Merriam-Webster Dictionary) / an officer second in command to the captain (Collins Dictionary) / an officer who has the rank just below captain (Longman Dictionary) / etc. You can check it up.

If by "first mate" you meant "first to join", then it's better to clear it up.

 

[soupongo]

wb was a pirate since he was a kid, but I don't think he started the current crew(the wbp) until he was older, since he has a patriarch/fatherly role in that crew. he was likely in many previous crews, including ones before rocks.

 

[JoNdule]

I do remember Whitey Bay saying that, but not the others. Maybe they did boss him around because they were slightly older? WB simply didn't had a first mate then (probably), it was more like a family to him than a pirate crew.

In the same page that Whitey Bay reproves Marco, WB tells everyone to stand back for him to fight Oden... most of them weren't full-fledged pirates probably.

Spoiler: Chapter 963

No first mate is an apprentice or rookie
King rank in the crew rookie when kaido started his crew nor apprentice.

Everycharacter that's called rookie or apprentince in a crew in One Piece isn't a first mate or has high authority

Marco only started becoming someone very important with authority about 22-20 years ago when Oden already left

 

[Boiroy]

 

[Albino 👑]

It is the textbook definition of first mate: the second most important officer on a ship (Cambridge Dictionary) / the officer on a ship who is most important after the captain (Merriam-Webster Dictionary) / an officer second in command to the captain (Collins Dictionary) / an officer who has the rank just below captain (Longman Dictionary) / etc. You can check it up.

If by "first mate" you meant "first to join", then it's better to clear it up.

The first sentence of the og post

 

[Roo]

Vista

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

No first mate is an apprentice or rookie
King rank in the crew rookie when kaido started his crew nor apprentice.

Everycharacter that's called rookie or apprentince in a crew in One Piece isn't a first mate or has high authority

Marco only started becoming someone very important with authority about 22-20 years ago when Oden already left

Fair enough, but Marco was the leader of the WB Pirates after WB himself died, it's clearly stated in the manga... no one else can be the first mate besides Marco.

Spoiler: Chapter 580

Spoiler: Chapter 820

The first sentence of the og post

In your opening post you didn't make clear if being an apprentice or not is something to take into consideration when you mentioned the WB pirates, so you didn't really made it clear imho.

Going by "first to join", we aren't sure about Ivankov too, for example. Vergo also joined Doffy together with Pica, Trebol and Diamante at the same time. Killer probably joined Kid together with Heat and Wire too.

 

[JoNdule]

Fair enough, but Marco was the leader of the WB Pirates after WB himself died, it's clearly stated in the manga... no one else can be the first mate besides Marco.

Spoiler: Chapter 580

Spoiler: Chapter 820

In your opening post you didn't make clear if being an apprentice or not is something to take into consideration when you mentioned the WB pirates, so you didn't really made it clear imho.

Going by "first to join", we aren't sure about Ivankov too, for example. Vergo also joined Doffy together with Pica, Trebol and Diamante at the same time. Killer probably joined Kid together with Heat and Wire too.

Marco became leader of wbp because He's the strongest, and also because Oden and Ace weren't there

If one of them was still there, Marco wouldn't be captain