Character Discussion Shiryu needs a second Devilfruit to beat Beckman and to give Zoro a tough fight

#1
He wasn't impressive against Garp. He won't defeat Benn Beckman with a sneak attack. If he stays how he is, Zoro vs Shiryu won't be exciting. The other First Mates of Emperors all had a special power. Marco the first Mythical Zoan we have seen (besides the Nikafruit of course). Katakuri had Future Sight. King becomes almost invincible temporarily, while his captain was regarded as unkillable all the time. Crocodile, the closest to an Emperor in paradise, also had a First Mate with superhuman tenacity. Crocodile couldn't be touched without Haki and water, Mister 1 could only be cut by very advanced swordsmen.

Blackbeard will acquire a Zoan. Shiryu should get one too. The boss will have 3 DF's, the First Mate should have 2, to set him apart from the other Titanic Captains. Shiryu can't eat more than one, so he should put it into his sword. We have yet to see a strong character utilize a Devilfruit weapon. One Piece can't end with only Mister 4 and Spandam wielding such weapons. Oda once said, Zoro would have one of his swords eat Kaido's Dragonfruit, were he to ever get a Devilfruit. Won't happen, but Oda has the Dragonfruit in his mind. He will put it on paper.

Some think Kaido died. I doubt it, Luffy would have killed him. He somehow survived and is now in a weakened state. Someone will take his life. In the past, I have made the case for Shiryu ending him. It is in his name: Shi means death, Ryu means dragon. Zoro is the biological descendant of Ryuma. Shiryu would inherit Ryuma's legacy by slaying a dragon, one that had Wano in its grip for so long. When Kaido's life ends, his Devilfruit will respawn and Shiryu will put it into his sword. A living Dragonsword may move like Ohm's iron whip, in Skypiea.
 
#2
1. I agree, so far he isn't impressive and if his Devil fruit doesn't get a twist like those "become nothingness theories" he probably won't last long.
2. However, after Zoro's performance in Roof Piece, I was making "fun" of King before Oda revealed his hand. So I doubt Oda is going to keep Shiryu this plain if he fights Zoro.
3. I honestly not get the hype for devil fruits in weapons. I don't find them interesting nor powerful enough to take someone from borderline mid diff to high/extreme. I'm against those from the get go.
4. And, how exactly would dragon's fruit help Shiryu? Zoro can literally counter the whole fruit.
- He could already damage it before ACOC, KOH and Dragon Style, now it's overkill.
- He countered the fruits Tornadoes.
- He literally no diffed the air slashes.
- And he can cut Boro Breath.
I just can't see Shiryu's sword being any useful with Kaido's fruit.
 

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#3
alternatively Garp is just that strong, and Benn is just that weak
 
#6
alternatively Garp is just that strong, and Benn is just that weak
Even for Garp's toughness and jokes aside, Shiryu's stab actually did quite some damage.
Aokiji, who probably knows Garp very well, remarked the wound.
We saw Garp himself show signs of pain and how the wound is affecting decently to the point where he was 'holding'/covering the wound with his hand even while he was defeated in the ground.
And the side characters commented on the fact that the wound nerfed him, thet were sure of this to the point where they even decided to engage him actively after it.
 
#7
No second DF or awakening is gonna make him be at the same level as Zoro

He was given a stealth ability to compensate for his trash strength. He's gonna fight dirty and take advantage of Zoro's gullible nature. Aside from that he's fodder
 
#8
He isnโ€™t beating Ben and even โ€œifโ€ he does it would be thanks to trickery which is gonna be the same reason how he would be a challenge for Zoro all things to DF trickery and not cuz he is that powerful so no he isnโ€™t getting shit๐Ÿ˜‚
 

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#10
2 devil fruits should remain a black beard exclusive and I don't think he'll fight Zoro
 

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Imo no he doesn't and oda would need to explain how he can eat a secdf when he hasn't even explained how bb did it. Bb was the only one with a special body that let him eat another df and shiryuu wasn't stated or shown to have a special body. Imo if bb pirates do fight rhp obviously kuzan will beat Beckman. As for fighting zoro be doesn't have to be as strong as zoro to fight him. King when zoro fought him just had 1 strong ability zoro couldn't over come in super high durability. If king didn't have that he would have lost to zoro way sooner. That fight wss meant to boost zoros ap to win. Shiryuu his likely going to be a fight that boosts Zoro's coo to win. As he has invisibility and it doesn't matter how much stronger zoro is than him if he can't find him. It would actually be dumb if Shiryuu was just as strong as zoro yet can't beat him despite having invisibility which would let him land hits on zoro far easier than zoro landing hits on him. Shiryuu will like be at yc1 level but just with a great ability zoro struggles with.
 
#17
Imo no he doesn't and oda would need to explain how he can eat a secdf when he hasn't even explained how bb did it. Bb was the only one with a special body that let him eat another df and shiryuu wasn't stated or shown to have a special body. Imo if bb pirates do fight rhp obviously kuzan will beat Beckman. As for fighting zoro be doesn't have to be as strong as zoro to fight him. King when zoro fought him just had 1 strong ability zoro couldn't over come in super high durability. If king didn't have that he would have lost to zoro way sooner. That fight wss meant to boost zoros ap to win. Shiryuu his likely going to be a fight that boosts Zoro's coo to win. As he has invisibility and it doesn't matter how much stronger zoro is than him if he can't find him. It would actually be dumb if Shiryuu was just as strong as zoro yet can't beat him despite having invisibility which would let him land hits on zoro far easier than zoro landing hits on him. Shiryuu will like be at yc1 level but just with a great ability zoro struggles with.
He wasn't impressive against Garp. He won't defeat Benn Beckman with a sneak attack. If he stays how he is, Zoro vs Shiryu won't be exciting. The other First Mates of Emperors all had a special power. Marco the first Mythical Zoan we have seen (besides the Nikafruit of course). Katakuri had Future Sight. King becomes almost invincible temporarily, while his captain was regarded as unkillable all the time. Crocodile, the closest to an Emperor in paradise, also had a First Mate with superhuman tenacity. Crocodile couldn't be touched without Haki and water, Mister 1 could only be cut by very advanced swordsmen.

Blackbeard will acquire a Zoan. Shiryu should get one too. The boss will have 3 DF's, the First Mate should have 2, to set him apart from the other Titanic Captains. Shiryu can't eat more than one, so he should put it into his sword. We have yet to see a strong character utilize a Devilfruit weapon. One Piece can't end with only Mister 4 and Spandam wielding such weapons. Oda once said, Zoro would have one of his swords eat Kaido's Dragonfruit, were he to ever get a Devilfruit. Won't happen, but Oda has the Dragonfruit in his mind. He will put it on paper.

Some think Kaido died. I doubt it, Luffy would have killed him. He somehow survived and is now in a weakened state. Someone will take his life. In the past, I have made the case for Shiryu ending him. It is in his name: Shi means death, Ryu means dragon. Zoro is the biological descendant of Ryuma. Shiryu would inherit Ryuma's legacy by slaying a dragon, one that had Wano in its grip for so long. When Kaido's life ends, his Devilfruit will respawn and Shiryu will put it into his sword. A living Dragonsword may move like Ohm's iron whip, in Skypiea.
 

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#20
Meaning Katakuri will fight the actual second in command, the strongest member of the crew will be taken down by Koby and Zoro and Sanji are going to take the third and fourth lines?
Zoro and Sanji nor any of the strawhats will face the black beard pirates
 
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