Chapter Discussion "THE" Elbaph POLITICAL conflict

[Bisoromi Bear]

First 2 minutes already

 

[Blax Blah]

@Kiddfanboy if Kidd and Luffy team up it's joever for Pranks

 

[Roo]

Shanks literally taught Luffy in chapter 1 that violence is not the correct answer always. Luffy becoming dumber and dumber as story progresses.

Oda is becoming a worse writer as he ages. The dude is seriously doing an arc where either Luffy ignores the most important lesson Shanks taught him or he somehow has forgotten it and he needs to learn it AGAIN.

 

[BattalGazi]

Interesting.

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I added a few concepts to the polls if you want to check and update your vote.

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Also, I'm adding this video from JoyBoy, it's highly relevant here:

Aside from a few points, I agree with him here and I think he understood the potential of this arc and the very interesting discussion that it might create in the fanbase.



Interesting. Yeah, the old King could have been a mole..

Now that i think about it makes sense, Giants probably made a deal with WG and they will sell strawhats to them. Just like Whiskey peak everyone is friendly but that is a trick, Saul probably betrayed Robin too and he is a mole planted in Elbaf cause if not why didn't he looked for her all these years. I also remember Saul mentioned he is not a barbarian so his ideology is just opposite of Elbafs. Harold was also making deals with WG and when Loki learned his adoptive father was a traitor shit hit the fan. Elbef is not territory of Shanks and they imprisoned their strongest warrior so how did they survived this long. Imu is not just a violent ruler he/she also does things acording a strategy, in east blue peace is used to oppress weak and vioence is used against them by nobles. Invade kill or imprison their warriors then give them pece so when they revolt they will just be peace breaking terrorists. That seems to be WGs strategy so conclusion is Giants are jsut paper tiger traitors.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Saul probably betrayed Robin too and he is a mole planted in Elbaf cause if not why didn't he looked for her all these years.

 

[BattalGazi]

I know man some people's hearts are just black or they change sides according their beliefs, good people usually follow the law but when law is evil good people just becomes puppets or evil regime.

 

[Mathias]

What is the poll for? Is it what I want to see in Elbaph?
What I want to witness is war, fights and strength for powerscaling reasons and entertainment on WG forums.

I think I voted for contradictory answers because I didn’t understand the question

 

[Yasuda]

Make Elbaph great again !

MEGA

 

[Logiko]

I will watch the video, however I am not sure that Luffy hates Elbaf, if anyone on the strawhat crew would understand, I think it would be Luffy, Robin, Jimbe, and Franky, who would most of all understand that strength doesn't come from endlessly warring or from causing trauma, but from being safe and from a place of love towards each other and yourself, because of their experiences,

I agree

Shanks literally taught Luffy in chapter 1 that violence is not the correct answer always. Luffy becoming dumber and dumber as story progresses.

No, he simply needs to understand a few more things.

Violence solves everything

Not sure about that. Do you think the conflict between shandians and Skypean was resolved with violence ?
I think it was more about understanding and solidarity..

First 2 minutes already

I agree, this video is not bad.

Joy Boy can make good analysis sometimes.

Oda is becoming a worse writer as he ages. The dude is seriously doing an arc where either Luffy ignores the most important lesson Shanks taught him or he somehow has forgotten it and he needs to learn it AGAIN.

Luffy never learned on this lesson.

What Luffy learned is that fights are not always necessary, but when met with someone calling out Shanks, he is always furious. Which is logical as Shanks is like a father figure to him.

Luffy never changed when it comes to Shanks.

Giants probably made a deal with WG and they will sell strawhats to them. Just like Whiskey peak everyone is friendly but that is a trick

I think this will have more to do with the philosophy of the giant rather their behavior. There is no trickster here beside Loki.

I think I voted for contradictory answers because I didn’t understand the question

There is no question. I just asked you to choose which concepts you prefer. In general.

I believe that a good discussion could be created out of the result.

 

[Blax Blah]

https://x.com/3SkullJoe/status/1874783943196905868

 

[Logiko]

Interesting, no one is voting for "Old". I added the concept "Softness" to the poll

 

[soupongo]

Wokeness...... has gone too far

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I agree



No, he simply needs to understand a few more things.



Not sure about that. Do you think the conflict between shandians and Skypean was resolved with violence ?
I think it was more about understanding and solidarity..

I agree, this video is not bad.

Joy Boy can make good analysis sometimes.


Luffy never learned on this lesson.

What Luffy learned is that fights are not always necessary, but when met with someone calling out Shanks, he is always furious. Which is logical as Shanks is like a father figure to him.

Luffy never changed when it comes to Shanks.



I think this will have more to do with the philosophy of the giant rather their behavior. There is no trickster here beside Loki.



There is no question. I just asked you to choose which concepts you prefer. In general.

I believe that a good discussion could be created out of the result.

this is a good point but I'm not sure what to think here. Luffy and Buggy were already fighting here.... meanwhile Loki is literally in chains.... but again, I guess we aren't supposed to take it that seriously? Idk

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I will watch the video, however I am not sure that Luffy hates Elbaf, if anyone on the strawhat crew would understand, I think it would be Luffy, Robin, Jimbe, and Franky, who would most of all understand that strength doesn't come from endlessly warring or from causing trauma, but from being safe and from a place of love towards each other and yourself, because of their experiences,

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But that depends on what the people of Elbaf do too, a peaceful Elbaf whose people train is way mroe powerful than a warring Elbaf, but they may not really care about training, however we may see more with what the holy knights are doing and Loki's beliefs and acts, plus the owl may know a lot too

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Pretty interesting Imu said the Ds are a shadow of what they were before, and at the same time, Elbaf, the land where the Nika legend comes from, also may be called a shadow of what it was, when it comes to strength, since even though the Ds are called the enemy of the gods, that probably applies to the celestial dragons and Imu, not to Nika and Joyboy, if Nika and Joyboy are two different people ( for me Joyboy saying "I will save you from the past, hasn't t always been like that?!" seems very deity-like ) , because Joyboy and Nika are also in complete opposition to Imu's ideals,

well, at the end of the day Luffy isn't actually anything like Jimbei or Robin lol. He's disappointed with Usopp that not all giants are like Dorry and Broggy lol.

 

[Blax Blah]

This is not necesarilly about politics but what if the knights are in Elbaf to take food and kidnap Biblot to get food easier?

 

[moreha9685]

What is the poll for?

I think I voted for contradictory answers because I didn’t understand the question

That's because there is no point in picking concepts in a vacuum. Some of them are context dependent--Pride? For what? Myself? My work? My culture? Strength how? Physical? Of character? As in 'resilience' or as in 'unmovingness,' 'approaching stubbornness in a discussion'?--while the others are so obvious they warrant no discussion--Would I prefer a world engulfed in war, or a peaceful one? My, take a wild guess. The poll is meaningless to begin with.

 

[Logiko]

That's because there is no point in picking concepts in a vacuum. Some of them are context dependent--Pride? For what? Myself? My work? My culture? Strength how? Physical? Of character? As in 'resilience' or as in 'unmovingness,' 'approaching stubbornness in a discussion'?--while the others are so obvious they warrant no discussion--Would I prefer a world engulfed in war, or a peaceful one? My, take a wild guess. The poll is meaningless to begin with.

And yet, it made you talk about it. Which is EXACTLY the purpose of this poll.

You will understand the choices behind the concept as the story progresses.

 

[moreha9685]

And yet, it made you talk about it. Which is EXACTLY the purpose of this poll.

You will understand the choices behind the concept as the story progresses.

You're so far up your own ass.

 

[Logiko]

You're so far up your own ass.

I know