Role Madness A Certain Magical Mafia II - Game Thread
And please, for the future, please try to defend yourself instead of just claiming.
Don't think that claiming is a defense, or a reason to not push for your lynch.
Your claim means nothing without anything to back it up.
From my PoV, your claim comes off as a cheap attempt at trying to diffuse your wagon, as you're incapable of articulating any sort of defense for yourself.
The flavor you claim is obviously quite a powerful character in the series, so if you're actually him, now you've essentially played yourself into needing to reveal your flavor - which is a huge boon for Mafia.
Do you see why this is problematic?
Don't think that claiming is a defense, or a reason to not push for your lynch.
Your claim means nothing without anything to back it up.
From my PoV, your claim comes off as a cheap attempt at trying to diffuse your wagon, as you're incapable of articulating any sort of defense for yourself.
The flavor you claim is obviously quite a powerful character in the series, so if you're actually him, now you've essentially played yourself into needing to reveal your flavor - which is a huge boon for Mafia.
Do you see why this is problematic?
The main reasoning there was that Yoho's response to coming back heavily voted feels towny - openly asking why people are voting him instead of refuting any points made against him feels like a towny perspective.
And yeah, I was refererring to the point he made about Flower/Killa possibly being w/w theatre - pointing that out feels towny, since reminding people of it lowers scum's possible moves here.
Watson immediately voted for Yoho without any reasoning except for a "policy lim" - which could just be RVS, but could also be an easy way of setting up distancing if both are scum.
Yeah, that's my bad, the ISO was long and I had to skim it. Still think the lack of content about anyone else is suspicious, though.
While I do think the logic around this initial claim makes some sense, taking a 30 minute break as proof of anything is pretty odd, especially doubling-down on it later - however, it would make a lot of sense if, for example, Alwaysmind knew what Orca's role was, and wanted to convince people that their role was actually just a treestump.
Yeah, I have no idea what he's doing, but given how suspiciously he delivered the claim, I'm inclined to think that the "mostly vanilla" claim was made in response to me claiming it, since that could imply other VT are present, and scum!Orca would know I'd flip VT, making such a claim more believable. Claiming vanilla then saying you actually have a passive feels like someone who wants a way to look vanilla while having some reasonable doubt to mask whatever their real role does.
And yeah, I was refererring to the point he made about Flower/Killa possibly being w/w theatre - pointing that out feels towny, since reminding people of it lowers scum's possible moves here.
Watson immediately voted for Yoho without any reasoning except for a "policy lim" - which could just be RVS, but could also be an easy way of setting up distancing if both are scum.
Yeah, that's my bad, the ISO was long and I had to skim it. Still think the lack of content about anyone else is suspicious, though.
While I do think the logic around this initial claim makes some sense, taking a 30 minute break as proof of anything is pretty odd, especially doubling-down on it later - however, it would make a lot of sense if, for example, Alwaysmind knew what Orca's role was, and wanted to convince people that their role was actually just a treestump.
Yeah, I have no idea what he's doing, but given how suspiciously he delivered the claim, I'm inclined to think that the "mostly vanilla" claim was made in response to me claiming it, since that could imply other VT are present, and scum!Orca would know I'd flip VT, making such a claim more believable. Claiming vanilla then saying you actually have a passive feels like someone who wants a way to look vanilla while having some reasonable doubt to mask whatever their real role does.
I don't think he ever implied them being w/w, it was presented more like a TvS (Town v Scum)
But now after I cased him, he pretty much just claimed Accelerator..
Sigh..
Not sure what RVS means, but I am pretty confident that Watson is town.
While it may have been a bit of a lazy vote, I do not really think that deeply of it.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, for Killa specifically this is NAI.
From my observation, he tends to pick one or two players that he fixates on, and get complete tunnelvision.
Though, I don't think he's been too bad, all things considered. Wouldn't hard town him, but he's defo soft town for me
I'll agree that time based reads can be very unreliable, as there could be a plethora of other things in the way- but while maybe the whole 30 min aspect is a bit whatever, I do still think that he has his heart on the right
I think it is a bit farfetched, however, to speculate AM having some sort of insight of his flavor.
And, it doesn't really seem to me that AM is trying to convince others that he is a stump, it reads to me instead as him putting Orca's claim under scrutiny
Especially in hindsight with you essentially also casting doubt on his claims.
How are you feeling about a potential Orca lynch?
But now after I cased him, he pretty much just claimed Accelerator..
Sigh..
Not sure what RVS means, but I am pretty confident that Watson is town.
While it may have been a bit of a lazy vote, I do not really think that deeply of it.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, for Killa specifically this is NAI.
From my observation, he tends to pick one or two players that he fixates on, and get complete tunnelvision.
Though, I don't think he's been too bad, all things considered. Wouldn't hard town him, but he's defo soft town for me
I'll agree that time based reads can be very unreliable, as there could be a plethora of other things in the way- but while maybe the whole 30 min aspect is a bit whatever, I do still think that he has his heart on the right
I think it is a bit farfetched, however, to speculate AM having some sort of insight of his flavor.
And, it doesn't really seem to me that AM is trying to convince others that he is a stump, it reads to me instead as him putting Orca's claim under scrutiny
Especially in hindsight with you essentially also casting doubt on his claims.
How are you feeling about a potential Orca lynch?
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I don't think he ever implied them being w/w, it was presented more like a TvS (Town v Scum)
But now after I cased him, he pretty much just claimed Accelerator..
Sigh..
Not sure what RVS means, but I am pretty confident that Watson is town.
While it may have been a bit of a lazy vote, I do not really think that deeply of it.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, for Killa specifically this is NAI.
From my observation, he tends to pick one or two players that he fixates on, and get complete tunnelvision.
Though, I don't think he's been too bad, all things considered. Wouldn't hard town him, but he's defo soft town for me
I'll agree that time based reads can be very unreliable, as there could be a plethora of other things in the way- but while maybe the whole 30 min aspect is a bit whatever, I do still think that he has his heart on the right
I think it is a bit farfetched, however, to speculate AM having some sort of insight of his flavor.
And, it doesn't really seem to me that AM is trying to convince others that he is a stump, it reads to me instead as him putting Orca's claim under scrutiny
Especially in hindsight with you essentially also casting doubt on his claims.
How are you feeling about a potential Orca lynch?
But now after I cased him, he pretty much just claimed Accelerator..
Sigh..
Not sure what RVS means, but I am pretty confident that Watson is town.
While it may have been a bit of a lazy vote, I do not really think that deeply of it.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, for Killa specifically this is NAI.
From my observation, he tends to pick one or two players that he fixates on, and get complete tunnelvision.
Though, I don't think he's been too bad, all things considered. Wouldn't hard town him, but he's defo soft town for me
I'll agree that time based reads can be very unreliable, as there could be a plethora of other things in the way- but while maybe the whole 30 min aspect is a bit whatever, I do still think that he has his heart on the right
I think it is a bit farfetched, however, to speculate AM having some sort of insight of his flavor.
And, it doesn't really seem to me that AM is trying to convince others that he is a stump, it reads to me instead as him putting Orca's claim under scrutiny
Especially in hindsight with you essentially also casting doubt on his claims.
How are you feeling about a potential Orca lynch?
I even think your read of me is flawed. I doubt I focus on one or two people and get tunnelvision. I see it differently, but again in a game of deceit its better to focus than spread yourself thin starting out cause confusion can set in. I like to think I focus instead of being a dolt and do information overload personally. Or lack thereof.
Random Voting Shenanigans - MU term for the part of D1 where people just vote whoever they feel like.
Ah, I was unaware of how he plays.
Yeah, in retrospect I don't think its necessarily scummy, just wanted to point out that Orca's true role might not be a treestump, even if he didn't deny it. (I mean, why would scum!Orca voluntarily throw away a towny fakeclaim someone gave him?)
Very positive, Orca seems to be the most suspicious player here.
Ah, I was unaware of how he plays.
Yeah, in retrospect I don't think its necessarily scummy, just wanted to point out that Orca's true role might not be a treestump, even if he didn't deny it. (I mean, why would scum!Orca voluntarily throw away a towny fakeclaim someone gave him?)
Very positive, Orca seems to be the most suspicious player here.