Versus Battle 4 Heavenly Kings vs Juuku’ou, Sentou’n & Gen’u
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No, Man'u wasn't the only problem. The issue was also that Juuko'ou was absolutely helpless against Tou's charge and got his HQ captured in a flash.
When it comes to field tactics this man didn't show anything, so idk why anyone would think he can do something against battle-hardened commanders like Heavenly Kings in an open clash. Someone like Rinko would break his lines easily with Rindou and take his head.
When it comes to field tactics this man didn't show anything, so idk why anyone would think he can do something against battle-hardened commanders like Heavenly Kings in an open clash. Someone like Rinko would break his lines easily with Rindou and take his head.
Juuko guys are just a cut above here. Former GGs who clashed with the likes of Kanmei, repelled countless Chu forces, etc.
Arguing quantity over quality (commander-wise) won't really make difference here either since a 3v4 isn't an overwhelming imbalance, not to mention all the other officers/ deputies within the Juuko armies they have acces to.
Arguing quantity over quality (commander-wise) won't really make difference here either since a 3v4 isn't an overwhelming imbalance, not to mention all the other officers/ deputies within the Juuko armies they have acces to.
You guys think that someone like Gen'u would be able to hold his own against Kanmei on his own?
Or that Juuko'ou would be able to do anything against him when Tou reached his HQ in a minute?
Kyouen clashed with Kyou on multiple ocasions and it was pointed out that it caused big casuallties on both sides. His hype of defending his home state against Renpa's invasions is actually very similar to what we heard about Juuko.
Or that Juuko'ou would be able to do anything against him when Tou reached his HQ in a minute?
Kyouen clashed with Kyou on multiple ocasions and it was pointed out that it caused big casuallties on both sides. His hype of defending his home state against Renpa's invasions is actually very similar to what we heard about Juuko.
Could go either way to be honest
I'd say individualy the Juuko gang are superior to HK but this battle being a 4v3 and since they have greater versatility and teamwork i reckon they take this.
Kyou En vs Sento Un
Kaishibou vs Gen U
Genpo vs Juuko Ou
And that leaves Rinko free to attack any of the wings he wants and tear through them with his offense.
Kyou En was also a former GG who clashed with Renpa, Kyou and even Hakuki and not even once was he shown to be a cut above the rest
All of the HK were believed to be GG level in ability with Genpo being able to act as the Chief of Zhao's military which is what Karin or SHK do for their states
I'd say individualy the Juuko gang are superior to HK but this battle being a 4v3 and since they have greater versatility and teamwork i reckon they take this.
Kyou En vs Sento Un
Kaishibou vs Gen U
Genpo vs Juuko Ou
And that leaves Rinko free to attack any of the wings he wants and tear through them with his offense.
Kyou En was also a former GG who clashed with Renpa, Kyou and even Hakuki and not even once was he shown to be a cut above the rest
All of the HK were believed to be GG level in ability with Genpo being able to act as the Chief of Zhao's military which is what Karin or SHK do for their states
And why is that? Because Juukou Ou was banking on Man’U pulling his weight. JuukouOu wouldn’t have beat around doing nothing if he knew Man’U would job.
From his proximity to the rest of the Juukou Gang, his abilities should be crazy. GenU almost broke through Houmei’s lines and took Houmei’s head. And Gen’U is not as tactically/strategically capable as JuukouOu.
Because of his proximity to a guy who almost beat Houmei in headon warfare and another guy who made Moubu his bitch?
This is why clinging to feats gets you nowhere. You have to go by JuukouOu’s portrayal relative to the rest of the Juukou gang.
From his proximity to the rest of the Juukou Gang, his abilities should be crazy. GenU almost broke through Houmei’s lines and took Houmei’s head. And Gen’U is not as tactically/strategically capable as JuukouOu.
Because of his proximity to a guy who almost beat Houmei in headon warfare and another guy who made Moubu his bitch?
This is why clinging to feats gets you nowhere. You have to go by JuukouOu’s portrayal relative to the rest of the Juukou gang.
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Thats great and all, the problem is that in this scenario Man'u isn't even present. So the important question is - how well can Juuko'ou do if he can't hide behind a martial beats and has to actually command his troops personally. The issue is that he didn't show anything in that regard and has an anti-feat of his formation not lasting against a martial general.
That did not happen.
After Bakai died the Gen'u + Hakurei vs GHM battlefield became a stalemate.
I don't think they are relative at all. To me Man'u is at least a tier above the rest of them. Even his position as the Lord of Juuko and CIC indicates of him standing above the rest.
That did not happen.
After Bakai died the Gen'u + Hakurei vs GHM battlefield became a stalemate.
I don't think they are relative at all. To me Man'u is at least a tier above the rest of them. Even his position as the Lord of Juuko and CIC indicates of him standing above the rest.
And we have a definitive answer to that question, which is better than Gen’U, who yes was in fact overwhelming Houmei. That was the whole reason Houmei elected to switch tactics in the first place is because his lines were buckling against Gen’U and Gen’U was closing in on him.
Man’U is a tier above the rest but Man’U is also some cracked shit who is waaaaay clear of any Heavenly King. So Man’U can be stronger than the Juukou gang and they can still be stronger than the Heavenly Kings.
Man’U is a tier above the rest but Man’U is also some cracked shit who is waaaaay clear of any Heavenly King. So Man’U can be stronger than the Juukou gang and they can still be stronger than the Heavenly Kings.
Gen'u benefited massively from the fact that he was able to slay Bakai at the start of battle. Before that, it was Gohoumei army that was pressing their offense.
In case of Juuko'ou he doesn't have the martial might to take heads, not does he have Hakurei to support him like Gen'u did.
Gen'u was far from closing on him. Even when Ryuuhan went back to save Gohoumei from Sento'un Wei army still held their own.
In case of Juuko'ou he doesn't have the martial might to take heads, not does he have Hakurei to support him like Gen'u did.
Gen'u was far from closing on him. Even when Ryuuhan went back to save Gohoumei from Sento'un Wei army still held their own.
Doesn’t matter. He has superior tactics and strategy to Gen’U, and overall is on the same level as Gen’U and Sento’Un as a commander. I mean do you think the likes of Bakai was going to put up a fight against JuukouOu just because JuukouOu can’t fight? Lol
Gen’U was closing in on Houmei from the front. Who was going to stop him? Bakai’s rivals? Lol
Gen’U was closing in on Houmei from the front. Who was going to stop him? Bakai’s rivals? Lol
On his own no, but overall I think this Gohoumei Army would beat Juuko'ou pretty badly if he was the one facing Wei. Juuko'ou doesn't have any powerful elites or any methods to decicively press his offense. His speciality also seem to be more towards the grand strategy rather then field tactics.
The arguement of Juko'ou holding his own simply because he's part of the Juuko Quartet just doesn't convince me.
Gohoumei would simply resort to his more advanced formations like Ryuudou. He was commanding from a hill, so battlefield visibility should not be an issue.
The arguement of Juko'ou holding his own simply because he's part of the Juuko Quartet just doesn't convince me.
Gohoumei would simply resort to his more advanced formations like Ryuudou. He was commanding from a hill, so battlefield visibility should not be an issue.