Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1136 Spoilers Discussion

I'm curious to assess Loki's strength, Luffy even though he saw and heard everything he still thinks he can beat Loki up, he remains fearless even after feeling how strong he is... So I also put Loki below any emperor.
It's unfortunate Kaido and Loki haven't met. Or maybe they did and we will see it in a flashback. Two fierce and proud warriors who seek chaos in the world. Would've been a sight to see them sitting together and having a drink.
 
It's unfortunate Kaido and Loki haven't met. Or maybe they did and we will see it in a flashback. Two fierce and proud warriors who seek chaos in the world. Would've been a sight to see them sitting together and having a drink.
Kaidou worked hard for the Yamato DF, maybe the wolf that is the guardian deity of the country of Wano was obtained from the underworld of Elbaf?

We already have too many wolves there. LOL

But both Loki and Kaidou's goals intertwine, we can take from this a future role for Kaidou at the end of the story with Loki being his subordinate and both going to the final war.:myman:
 
Should be a top tier. Though below Yonko level. With that chapter, Shanks > Loki is cemented. By extention, it means Kaido is > Loki. Big Mom should also edge out.

Though I feel like Loki still has potential. Maybe he will awaken his fruit. After all, he makes destroying the world his identity, so his mind and body might sync with his fruit, which will also be some destroyer fruit (maybe Fenrir).
Loki is an inferior freak of nature than BM.
Even Oden's freak status is hyped way more

It goes like this based on their hype :
Naturla born destroyer > monster samurai >= accursed giant Prince

Oden >= FA
Loki >= Admirals
 
How would he know about an Elbaf warrior? He spent 2 decades on Wano for literally no reason at all

What do you mean without any reason?

- He acquired a natural fortress
- He manufactured weapons in Wano which he supplied to the whole world
- Someone needed to protect the country that is coveted by the outside world, didn't Kinemon and Green Bull's speech make it obvious that Wano was only not invaded due to Kaidou's presence there? So those same words don't give meaning to Kaidou staying there in Wano?

I'm not even going to follow the lead about Kaidou's goals, because that includes making Wano a pirate haven.
And answering your question, the Yonkous have an intelligence system, so they would know about Loki.
 

Honestly stabs and gunko fighting kid and killer might make more sense
  1. Kids history with shanks
  2. Stabs isn’t really a subordinate under Loki

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Lowkey a dope win win case scenario is if luffy and zoro beat Loki and stabs now proving that they’re stronger. With both of them coming back stronger due to Linlin and her fruit. My whole big mom using Loki’s body theory
 
What do you mean without any reason?

- He acquired a natural fortress
- He manufactured weapons in Wano which he supplied to the whole world
- Someone needed to protect the country that is coveted by the outside world, didn't Kinemon and Green Bull's speech make it obvious that Wano was only not invaded due to Kaidou's presence there? So those same words don't give meaning to Kaidou staying there in Wano?

I'm not even going to follow the lead about Kaidou's goals, because that includes making Wano a pirate haven.
And answering your question, the Yonkous have an intelligence system, so they would know about Loki.
He lost that natural fortress because he allied with Orochi who had no interest in running Wano and everyone hated him. For some reason, he decided that pissing off all the samurai in Wano including literally Oden ho knew where Laughtale is was a good idea because he wanted Orochi in power?..... Also, that natural fortress could never really prevent anyone who wanted to go to Wano to reach it. Why not set up on a sky island? The weapons he manufactured never even ended up doing anything. The seastones were useful so that the Government could capture devil fruit users, I guess? But any other weapon could have been built anywhere else on earth. Why did he want to protect the country? He got mad at Yamato for wanting to get along with the humans of Wano.
 
Enel cover story always the most important.
Went down a rabbit hole since this.

It seems that, based on Enel’s cover story, the moon people ran out of resources and came to earth. These were the Lunarians. They brought with them, guess what, advanced robotic technology. These robots are currently activated and serving Enel on the moon.

They came to a world of chaos, not ruled over by one particular group, but divided between gods and demons and the humans under their control. There were also many races of human, such as the long leg and long arm tribes, alongside creatures like Fishmen and Giants. The balance of power was disrupted by the arrival of these lunar beings and their advanced technology, who potentially were displaced from the moon by some action from Imu or the other devils. They joined forces with Nika, or Joyboy, to destroy the devils.

The ancient weapons were used during this time, with the wielders of the weapons being unwilling to share them with anyone else, leading to the conflict. Joyboy espoused nuclear proliferation for mutual assurance. Imu and allies wanted the weapons so they could be in control. One Piece is social commentary on world history following World War 1, with the comments on Elbaf, as well as the running commentary on the Celestial Dragons’ depravity and corruption, as the end result of woke ideology in this world where nuclear missiles are kept by the powerful.

Joyboy lost the conflict, the allied nations became the WG, their rulers at the time became the Tenryuubito, and the history was destroyed so that people would not find out that the ones ruling them are actual devil monstrosities. This represents the period of Japanese history essentially lost to the world during the time of World War 2, when the well-organized Japanese allied themselves with literal devils in pursuit of a greater objective, but they were relegated to villains by history as the allies of Hitler.

They made their base on the Red Line, creating it some way or another, by using Uranus to raise the world’s sea levels and sink their enemies. They chose to do it right by the Sun Tree Eve because that is where devil fruits come from. The devil fruits are the displaced souls of the devils captured by the sun tree. They are immortal spirits who are not destroyed but kept through the fruits and recycled when they die, as potentially all spirits are in this world. There is some plan in the works to revive them all and take over the world again. Those with the D initial are those who have the ability to destroy devil’s souls by consuming the fruit.

Blackbeard is both a D and a Buccaneer descendant, giving him the ability to not only destroy the spirits of the devils he consumes but also to consume multiple. Either that or the darkness fruit gives him the ability to house as many devil spirits as he wants since his soul is now a dark abyss.
 
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He lost that natural fortress because he allied with Orochi who had no interest in running Wano and everyone hated him. For some reason, he decided that pissing off all the samurai in Wano including literally Oden ho knew where Laughtale is was a good idea because he wanted Orochi in power?..... Also, that natural fortress could never really prevent anyone who wanted to go to Wano to reach it. Why not set up on a sky island? The weapons he manufactured never even ended up doing anything. The seastones were useful so that the Government could capture devil fruit users, I guess? But any other weapon could have been built anywhere else on earth. Why did he want to protect the country? He got mad at Yamato for wanting to get along with the humans of Wano.
Kaidou is the greatest genius in this manga but you are not ready for this discussion when you are failing in the basics.
 
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