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Also I know yall ain’t reading Boruto but they pretty much gone planetary by conquering planets and shit

OPverse as of rn combined stands NO chance against Naruto’s strongest villain

Also reminder Toneri, a 19-yr old Naruto victim, split the fucking moon in half
What's the most popular theory regarding Shibai or whatever his name was?
 
The reason everyone and their mother can react to lightning in One Piece is because Oda doesn't care. Light travels the planet seven times in a second and you got pre skip characters without CoO reacting to it, with Whitebeard holding a monologue about how bright it is while Kizaru fires lasers from mid range. Generally speaking, lightning and light is considered "fast", but Oda doesn't portray it as realistically as Kishimoto. So in a cross universe battle, speed to some extend would probably be equated.
Sorry but there is just a lot of excuse coming from you.

In a neutral crossover setting, we're treating speed feats exactly the same way how is it intented. Everything else is just nitpicking and wouldn't make sense. In both cases, both Naruto and OP don't portray LS the way is it intented. Tsunade and Ay didn't destroy the entire solarsystem by travelling with LS... A fucking needle would end us all if it moves with near LS irl... That being said, can you give some legit examples to why DBZ characters move far faster than light when they haven't shown surpassing LS that much either? Or are they attacking with that speed? I can think of Whis and Beerus travelling 30 minutes between galaxies but that's purely travel speed and that's not a technique they're using in a battle. I can think of the Kamehameha in movies which reached the sun in a few seconds but they're non canon. We have statements of Kizaru moving AND attacking with LS.

There are not even that many LS feats in Naruto, lol. You have the teleportation thing which fucked up Tsunade and Ay's body, then you have Sot6P Naruto dodging Juudara's Light Fang. So how is Kishimoto treating it differently when Kizaru is the only one who legit moves and attacks with LS because he IS LIGHT?

There was a character moving with LS in Code Breaker, it wasn't portrayed realistically either because it's simply way too difficult to portray LS legit.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann mechas threw universes to each other. These weren't galaxies since the creators confirmed these were universes but they didn't know how to portray them properly. So it doesn't make them any less of universes than, like, the DBZ universes.
 
He used conquerors haki in chapter 1. Be real.

Lucci did have haki. He was hitting Luffy with blunt attacks and dealing significant damage. He wasn't just biting and scratching and hitting finger pistols, half the shit he did including his ultimate attack was punching. Do things need to be spelled out with a narrator? You know how this stuff works. Luffy is established that blunt attacks can't hurt him. Lucci hurt him with blunt attacks. It's sure as shit not "fist of love."

Crocodile I think I've made a bunch of posts about this subject before, if not a thread. There's a scene in Alabasta where Crocodile thinks that Luffy has armament haki because he gets grabbed, and looks shocked and upset and has a sweat drop in the panel. Then after he gets pulled in and hit, he sees that Luffy is just using a tank of water and starts laughing at him. It has been established in the series that the strength of haki (as a power system) is directly proportionate to the strength of will (as in fighting spirit or dreams or whatever) of the haki user, and that losing your dreams or your will directly affects your power levels. Whitebeard's family was being torn apart in Marineford, and there are scenes specifically showing Whitebeard fail to use armament haki to hit the admirals in their logia form (kuzan even says "don't be ridiculous" when fodder goes "HE HIT HIM WITH PURE HAKI!!"), observation haki to tell Squard is behind him (this is a man who could defend from attacks in his sleep), conqueror's haki when trying to stop the execution (Luffy picks up the slack). This isn't because he's sick, it's because his entire life is his family, and he's failing to prevent his son from being taken away from him while his entire family goes to war and risks death for him too. He's losing everything and he knows it. Crocodile was utterly destroyed by Whitebeard (so he had haki to beat logias in the past) and his dreams were crushed, so he fell back to Paradise to be a small time casino and organized crime boss when he really dreamed of being Pirate King (as we learn in the Baroque Works cover story). By the time Crocodile returns to the story after regaining his dreams in that cover story, he's clashing with admirals and Mihawk and shrugging off Akainu's lava.

Blackbeard's entire Logia gimmick, that he EXPLAINS DURING THAT FIGHT, is that he still gets hit no matter what, because he's not that kind of logia, and darkness absorbs everything, even the inflicted pain. He goes on to say that because of his logia, he even feels MORE pain than usual, because of the unique qualities of the devil fruit, but he still thinks it's worth it because it's so powerful and special. When he says he hasn't been hit in a while, it is obviously not because he's a logia, it's because he is a very skilled fighter even without his devil fruits.

Blackbeard talking about Luffy's haki is the correct translation. You can prove this because Blackbeard references this dialogue later in Impel Down, the next time they meet.

"I thought 30 million was a little too low judging by his haki"

"Your haki is stronger than before."
Meh, I respect your opinion and effort but I just disagree lol. What Shanks did in chapter 1 was like glare diff the sea monster. He didn't use like coc wifi beams or anything. Shanks is actually the first character we see use Haki on W7,so I get that. The thing with crocodile just seems like cope, I feel like you're reading a bit tooo much into it. Crocodile at the time was established without having the backstory of losing to a yonko or anything like that, in fact he seemed pretty ambitious if anything,trying to take an ancient weapon. When oda wrote luffy vs croco,his intention was likely just that croco would get shocked. I know that Lucci and Enel have been like, retconed(imo) into having haki this whole time, but at the time they were called separate things. If cp9 were supposed to have something called Haki, why not just say that? With the garp thing, I mean it's supposed to be a gag like nami punching luffy. With blackbeard,again I just think you're coping. He said ace wouldn't be used to getting hit after showing off the fruit he spent years trying to gets abilities to hit DF users lol. Sometimes op is that simple. Beyond that, on a meta level there's no reason we wouldn't just gave characters using Haki the second we reach the grandline,which has always been full of pirates. Making Haki a new world thing has always been arbitrary, and the fact that Luffy and the SH don't even know what it is kind of says a lot.
 
Admiral and Doffy fans hyperanalyzing why Shamrock torturing Loki after Gunko with his newly revealed Cerebrus sword means he’s weaker than an Admiral and Gunko is Koala victim :suresure:
Admiral fans are only laughing at the hypocrisy of the fandom, remember the invisible haki stuff
Or slandering Greenbull for trying to take a shot at an alliance that took down two yonko after a week of rest

"B-but they were injured"


There are other reasons for Admiral > Shamrock, mainly Shamrock's demon boss not being able to perceive Kizaru
 
He's definitely not a bigger mary sue than Shanks
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Arguably he is. His parents respecting his decision and letting him kill them without struggle, let Sasuke kill him so fake Sasuke gas, Totsuka blitz to get rid of Orochimaru in Sasuke’s body, implanted Kotoakatsukami to free himself from Edo Tensei, came up with plan to beat Nagato in presence of two perfect Jinchurikis, empowering speech to Naruto about being Hokage, Izanami bullshit while making EMS Sasuke look like a child, Hashirama and Hiruzen gassing him, Sasuke claiming he was the true Hokage, post-death cult

Nothing Shanks has done tops this Mary Sue
 
@SakazOuki @Sentinel

Madara: “They’ll have to redraw the maps again if me and Hashirama fight”

Meanwhile, Roger and Primebeard fight on a teeny tiny island and can’t even knock a tree over lol
The amount how much you're glazing Naruto feats is crazy. Whitebeard can EASILY sink entire islands if he wants. Just by shouting, he was nearly sinking the entire island they were fighting in...

It was also said that WB is capable of destroying the whole world, I guess that's better than redrawing maps.
 
Admiral and Doffy fans hyperanalyzing why Shamrock torturing Loki after Gunko with his newly revealed Cerebrus sword means he’s weaker than an Admiral and Gunko is Koala victim :suresure:
What's hyperanalyzing? It's a funny first showing. Don't pretend that if it was a newly introduced admiral he wouldn't get clowned hard, Greenbull already get slandered because apparently he should've let the alliance have 2 or 3 weeks of rest instead of one before attacking.
 
Admiral fans are only laughing at the hypocrisy of the fandom, remember the invisible haki stuff
Or slandering Greenbull for trying to take a shot at an alliance that took down two yonko after a week of rest

"B-but they were injured"


There are other reasons for Admiral > Shamrock, mainly Shamrock's demon boss not being able to perceive Kizaru
An alliance who took two emperors and also shanks crew
 
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