Controversial Black Beard team is soooo weak and this showcases why BB wasn't planned as FV
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I can understand, but the WG has always tried to prevent other from getting it. Still, Roger finding it didn't bring any of the consequences that WB spoken off, because finding it is not the end: there is something to be done after, as Roger said.
Not to mention, we know the one who put the OP there (meaning: he had the treasure, Joy Boy had the OP) still didn't manage to defeat/overthrow Imu/Earth God, someone (or something) a lot older than the OP itself. As Roger, another one who had it, didn't manage to.
Also, as WB said, someone has to know the real history to fight. It would be narratively absurd that we firt fight the big bad guy and then, after, we come to know what this guy actually did, what the story actually was.
We ought to know before Imu is taken down, and that can happen only in Raftel.
Not to mention, we know the one who put the OP there (meaning: he had the treasure, Joy Boy had the OP) still didn't manage to defeat/overthrow Imu/Earth God, someone (or something) a lot older than the OP itself. As Roger, another one who had it, didn't manage to.
Also, as WB said, someone has to know the real history to fight. It would be narratively absurd that we firt fight the big bad guy and then, after, we come to know what this guy actually did, what the story actually was.
We ought to know before Imu is taken down, and that can happen only in Raftel.
Exactly: didn't end the manga; it wasn't, for all purposes, all said and done.
Seeing the OP as some final achievement that can end the manga when we had two characters, Roger and Joy Boy, that had it and didn't manage to end it (Joy Boy was even defeated by Imu/Sun God despite being the creator of the OP) disprove that notion clearly.
The OP is something you can "use" to end the manga, to defeat Imu (?), but you have to do something with it after you get it.
Seeing the OP as some final achievement that can end the manga when we had two characters, Roger and Joy Boy, that had it and didn't manage to end it (Joy Boy was even defeated by Imu/Sun God despite being the creator of the OP) disprove that notion clearly.
The OP is something you can "use" to end the manga, to defeat Imu (?), but you have to do something with it after you get it.
Sure, if you cut out both cases of people having the OP and in both cases didn't managed to do what WB predicted, we can say what we want lol.
Facts are:
- Joy Boy had the OP, and still lost to Imu;
- Roger had the OP, didn't end the manga and had something to do after.
You talk about Poseidon, and you are right: probably Poseidon is needed for the final war that the finder of the OP is supposed to wage after he finds the OP. Roger couldn't and that's why him finding the OP didn't amount to him ending the manga.
Facts are:
- Joy Boy had the OP, and still lost to Imu;
- Roger had the OP, didn't end the manga and had something to do after.
You talk about Poseidon, and you are right: probably Poseidon is needed for the final war that the finder of the OP is supposed to wage after he finds the OP. Roger couldn't and that's why him finding the OP didn't amount to him ending the manga.
WB did not say they would "know" he said they would carry the burden of said history which is just Inherited WIll. Luffy has been carrying Roger's will without knowing anything about the man other than he was the King of the Pirates and that is what Luffy wants to be, so these things are not mutually exclusive as you are intending them to be.
In the case of Joy Boy do not know if he did or did not turn the world on its head. He very well could have seeing as he is the first pirate and pirates have been around since before the Void Century
With regards to Roger, he did turn the world on its head by starting the great age of Pirates that we found ourselves in at the start of the story.
Using the OP for its intended purpose could be as I stated before to return the world to its prior form. To lower the sea levels and bring about a world that is connected. It does not have to be the spark that starts the war with the World Government, and you do not necessarily need it to find out the history of the world as we are currently seeing in Elbaph.
In the case of Joy Boy do not know if he did or did not turn the world on its head. He very well could have seeing as he is the first pirate and pirates have been around since before the Void Century
With regards to Roger, he did turn the world on its head by starting the great age of Pirates that we found ourselves in at the start of the story.
Using the OP for its intended purpose could be as I stated before to return the world to its prior form. To lower the sea levels and bring about a world that is connected. It does not have to be the spark that starts the war with the World Government, and you do not necessarily need it to find out the history of the world as we are currently seeing in Elbaph.
Well, no. WB didn't say "will" anywhere: he said history, and it's no coincidence you discover the real, complete history at Raftel. That's why trying to transform history in will, something that WB never said, it's not going to work.
And also, as I said, it would made little sense (if any) defeating the final villain and only after learning what he really did, what his past was. it has never happened and I don't think Oda would start with the final villain.
We, as always, are going to know what Imu had done and then he'll be defeated.
We know two facts for sure:
- Joy Boy had/created the OP and still lost to Imu. In fact, the WG came to be from that defeat;
- Roger had the OP and Imu is still there, the manga didn't end.
These two events, in themselves, already disprove the notion that "finding" the OP simply ends the manga: it doesn't, it has already happened twice and didn't happen.
Also, after last chapter, why are we still debating about the OP is if was something unique? The OP came long after the Erath God and the Sun God, it came form Joy Boy. It is something fundamental, but it's not some magical instrument.
Sun God and Earth God were there long before the OP and Joy Boy, who had the OP, didn't manage to win the war.
The OP is a part of a larger set of events, as we saw in the last chapter.
And also, as I said, it would made little sense (if any) defeating the final villain and only after learning what he really did, what his past was. it has never happened and I don't think Oda would start with the final villain.
We, as always, are going to know what Imu had done and then he'll be defeated.
We know two facts for sure:
- Joy Boy had/created the OP and still lost to Imu. In fact, the WG came to be from that defeat;
- Roger had the OP and Imu is still there, the manga didn't end.
These two events, in themselves, already disprove the notion that "finding" the OP simply ends the manga: it doesn't, it has already happened twice and didn't happen.
Also, after last chapter, why are we still debating about the OP is if was something unique? The OP came long after the Erath God and the Sun God, it came form Joy Boy. It is something fundamental, but it's not some magical instrument.
Sun God and Earth God were there long before the OP and Joy Boy, who had the OP, didn't manage to win the war.
The OP is a part of a larger set of events, as we saw in the last chapter.
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Bb has always been set up as the battle for pk. He isn't set up as the FV because beating bb just knocks out a yonko while wg still would stand as the biggest villain in the story. The FV is someone in the WG because the WG has to be taken out for the world of op to be really saved. BB will be the perfect fight for pk but he isn't last villain material unless he somehow manages to gain control over the wg.
The notion that you need to know the history to fight Imu and WG makes no sense when (A) the the Straw Hats know they're enemies and (B) are active antagonists to the point one Elder has already been replaced by someone who disrupts their planet motif. Did Luffy know Nami's history with Arlong to fight him? No. He just knew he was an enemy and someone whose ass he needed to kick. Why is it different with Imu especially when he (she) is making moves as of last chapter?
I don't think powerscalers and battlefans will ever understand that Blackbeard is not someone you put some sort of powerlevel on.
It's against his entire character and portrayal.
This man is all about foul play and being opportunistic.
One would think Marineford is evidence enough of that. One would think him camping in Marineford to prey on a dead man walking Whitebeard was enough to portray that.
There is no low that is beneath him to achieve his goals. He and his crew are weak? So what? Its all about what kind of low blow he intends to deal. This man will actually do anything to try snd get what he wants.
It's against his entire character and portrayal.
This man is all about foul play and being opportunistic.
One would think Marineford is evidence enough of that. One would think him camping in Marineford to prey on a dead man walking Whitebeard was enough to portray that.
There is no low that is beneath him to achieve his goals. He and his crew are weak? So what? Its all about what kind of low blow he intends to deal. This man will actually do anything to try snd get what he wants.
I'm just confused by all these BBP = FV talks, if they're FV then who will the SHs fight for the OP & PK title?
Will it be a walk in the park like Roger? ( after he got Oden )
Or will they fight another group? But :
Marine HQ = far too strong, even for Post Elbaf SHs, especially with 7 Seraphims
Edit : fuck, they're not fit for the "Pirate King" title fight in the 1st place too, just like the Gorosei & HKs
Cross Guild = far too weak, the only feasible fight = Zoro vs Mihawk
RHP = maybe, but with the existence of Shamrock this becomes really questionable
If this happens i doubt it'll be a serious fight where Luffy beats down & rubberize Shanks in G5, and Zoro inflicting lethal injury on Beck
HKs = doubt SHs will face them again after Elbaf, arguably not fit too for the PK title
Gorosei = too soon to be defeating them Post Elbaf, also arguably not fit for PK title fight. All 5 of them combined is too strong too
So that leaves the BBP.
Yes they have the intel on Pluton & Poseidon, but this may be the thing that forces Shanks to stop him, cause if the BBP even gets 1 Ancient Weapon, the power gap becomes too big.
The BBP is already much stronger than RHP with Kuzan, it'll get much much worse with an Ancient Weapon.
Plus, BB seems like the perfect opponent to force Luffy to reach Shanks/SoyBoy CoC lvl, to fight Imu, as he's the one who can completely turn off Luffy's DF, which will force Luffy to focus using & strengthening Haki.
Even Warcury's roar with powerful CoC couldn't turn off Luffy's DF ( remember Jinbe hyped Mars' CoC ).
The only other candidate to turn off Luffy's DF is Shanks, who pushed GB out of monster form with CoC, although GB was caught off-guard ( same with Gorosei with SoyBoy's CoC ).
But again, Luffy fighting Shanks is questionable with Shamrock's existence.
Plus, IMO the main reason of Garling & Shamrock being such powerful CDs in the WG is probably to extend Oda's Shanks wank into the Final War/Last Arc.
( remember Oda said Shanks resembles himself the most out of all OP characters, and is likely one of his top favourite characters ).
Will it be a walk in the park like Roger? ( after he got Oden )
Or will they fight another group? But :
Marine HQ = far too strong, even for Post Elbaf SHs, especially with 7 Seraphims
Edit : fuck, they're not fit for the "Pirate King" title fight in the 1st place too, just like the Gorosei & HKs
Cross Guild = far too weak, the only feasible fight = Zoro vs Mihawk
RHP = maybe, but with the existence of Shamrock this becomes really questionable
If this happens i doubt it'll be a serious fight where Luffy beats down & rubberize Shanks in G5, and Zoro inflicting lethal injury on Beck
HKs = doubt SHs will face them again after Elbaf, arguably not fit too for the PK title
Gorosei = too soon to be defeating them Post Elbaf, also arguably not fit for PK title fight. All 5 of them combined is too strong too
So that leaves the BBP.
Yes they have the intel on Pluton & Poseidon, but this may be the thing that forces Shanks to stop him, cause if the BBP even gets 1 Ancient Weapon, the power gap becomes too big.
The BBP is already much stronger than RHP with Kuzan, it'll get much much worse with an Ancient Weapon.
Plus, BB seems like the perfect opponent to force Luffy to reach Shanks/SoyBoy CoC lvl, to fight Imu, as he's the one who can completely turn off Luffy's DF, which will force Luffy to focus using & strengthening Haki.
Even Warcury's roar with powerful CoC couldn't turn off Luffy's DF ( remember Jinbe hyped Mars' CoC ).
The only other candidate to turn off Luffy's DF is Shanks, who pushed GB out of monster form with CoC, although GB was caught off-guard ( same with Gorosei with SoyBoy's CoC ).
But again, Luffy fighting Shanks is questionable with Shamrock's existence.
Plus, IMO the main reason of Garling & Shamrock being such powerful CDs in the WG is probably to extend Oda's Shanks wank into the Final War/Last Arc.
( remember Oda said Shanks resembles himself the most out of all OP characters, and is likely one of his top favourite characters ).
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