Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1139 Spoilers Discussion

[Julius]

Oda made it clear that this is about strength, not about right hand mans

It's about acknowledgement

I made a thread once talking about this, if im not mistaken.

On the same chapter of the colospread in question, Sanji asks Zoro to kill him if he goes out of control. Perhaps thats Sanji's acknowledgement that Zoro can stop him/Be superior to him. Even if, in normal circumstances, they get very close in strength.

Taking a color spread's meaning over the manga that still hasn't reached its end is dumb if you ask me

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

Akainu > Prime Garp/Roger/WB confirmed

 

[Roo]

I think Gaban hyping Kaido in some way make sense because he thinks the same guy defeated Oden.
Depends who is stronger or weaker, Oden was legit a strong top tier who got defeated by Kaido in a unfair battle. Question is how it would end if both fought fair.

Oden is not weak, im sure he has also a bounty of 2.5B+ and would give any other top tier a good battle. But the place where Oda scale these characters is clear for me.

If Gaban truly tried to stop Loki and failed hard, it just hypes Loki even more but it also open up the question, is there really a huge gap between top tiers? How strong is Loki in comparison to Akainu,Primebeard,EoS Teach or Roger?

Gaban hype and scaling is pretty simple this chapter:
Shanks(for now until we know how he defeated loki)>Loki>(Kaido/Prime Gaban/Prime Oden)?

Feats will tell a lot, if a old Gaban can pull out some crazy feats against Luffy and overall in Elbaf, no one can ignore that he was most likely above Oden too. Like no one will question out if Sanji end up stronger as Yamato or not, because he will!!

Right now there are probably not many characters who are above Loki.
Things will be spicy for the next chapters, this arc will give as a better view for the characters after all.

Shanks > Loki >>>>>Kaido in Gabans mind

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Can Gaban Scar Kaido?..

gaban kills kaido if he got the same opening

 

[MonsterKaido]

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kizaru feeding goofy just obliterates all this lol

means kizaru was NEVER serious against goofy AT ALL from the start

So a non serious mentally anguished kizaru still managed to exhaust goofy while he himself was completely fine.

nothing but W for kizaru

I am not denying Kizaru was not going all out. But its also true Kizaru does not have feats dominating G5 either till now.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Admiral fans watching Sanji fans and Kinyagi beg us for an alliance

 

[JoNdule]

Isn't it true?
You see no Rayleigh, no Gaban, no Garp, no Kong, no Big Mom, no Sengoku, no AKAINU, no Mihawk, etc. He decided to put Retarden there because Retarden gave him a deep scar + PTSD. Weirdly enough, you ain't putting Akainu above Kaido for scarring future Nika and giving him PTSD.

Also, I am serious. I thought this would be a great chapter for you since Gaban and Sanji hype but you're more coping about Retarden. Just why? 🤣

And yes, I won't stop calling him Retarden, especially since it's revealed there was another monster like Rayleigh (Gaban) who would gladly help him against Kaido...

I will never rate those guys above Oden unless they're great pirates or Imu /Joyboy

Why would I put Akainu above Kaido for scarring rookie Luffy who was unconscious ?
Are you really being this disingenuous?
You're comparing to a fight between top tiers ?

You can do the mental gymnastics or try like you want
Kaido and WB rate Oden that high

Scopper already told you he didn't wanna mess with kaido
He wasn't gonna do much even if Oden asked for help

 

[MarineHQ]

You think Akainu will be considerably stronger then GB?

Got into big fights with Admiral bros, but yes, I believe especially this matchup won't be so close both ability and portrayal wise.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

One destroys trees on mountains
the other destroys mountains

and they expect me to believe they're equal

 

[Fujishiro]

Akainu > Prime Garp/Roger/WB confirmed

How lol.

 

[kekaro]

You're thinking to small. Go further.

Prime Sanji > Prime Gaban

Sanji will fight and beat the weakest Admiral extreme diff. The Admiral Luffy fights will be considerably stronger.

This all then goes back to Kaido and BM

Sanji is now a walking Admiral agenda tool thanks to Waban.

Was there any doubt???
he is the MOST dangerous man to agenda

 

[MegaSpider]

being the same level is roger doesnt mean power, sorry if you cant understand that

they're legendary coz they went to laughtale

Yet Usopp has never heard of this legendary pirate

 

[Wizak08]

No, Oda said in Bepos case this is true. Bepos Sulong form is the only reason the "heart pirates" exist. Not for everyone. If you don't understand that Zoro, Katakuri, Killer, Rayleigh etc share a relationship with their crew and a loyalty to their captain like no other, you aren't following the series.

He talks about Bepo because the question is mainly about him, this has nothing to do with relawwith their captain. Bepo, just like rest are there because they are the strongest. The manga being ongoing doesn't change this spread

 

[Fujishiro]

Got into big fights with Admiral bros, but yes, I believe especially this matchup won't be so close both ability and portrayal wise.

So is Kuzan also considerably stronger then GB?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Wonder what the dosundada race is

it sounds like tontatta, perhaps it is tontatta + human

 

[Roo]

One destroys trees on mountains
the other destroys mountains

and they expect me to believe they're equal

Fenaker resorting to hype Chinjao’s rival can the zoro fandom get much lower?

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

You think Akainu will be considerably stronger then GB?

Yes, Akainu is revered by GB, he wants attaboy's from Akainu lol.

Akainu also is a very bad match-up versus GB.

 

[Divinito442]

I am literally reading what the chapter says, please point to the text where it says it’s a test for an ulterior reason?

is the concept of character motive foreign to you
Kuma first appeared - he had reason (dragon)
Rayleigh- his reasons( shanks told him about him)
And now gaban just confirmed „I have heard a lot about you“

and the way he literally tells Luffy is a test to see if he can handle Loki

 

[ZenZu]

GB's statement sounded power level related. Hence he said that Kaido kept "enemies" (like himself) away, meaning enemies that are interested in taking over Wano but couldn't in Kaido's presence. This is what the Scabbards agreed upon when saying that he kept guys like Greenbull away.

I think it's a bit paradox, but people don't seem to respect Luffy despite his victory over Kaido. Lucci said he doesn't acknowledge him as a Yonko, Greenbull wanted to pick a fight against an alliance that took down Kaido and Big Mom, just as Kizaru acknowledged that Luffy "defeated" Kaido, which may not mean to acknowledge that Luffy is indeed stronger. Just like Kidd and Law got credit for defeating Big Mom by pushing her down the island with a muted voice. As far as I know, some secondary source still labels Kaido as the strongest despite his defeat.

So it is possible for people seeing Luffy as the one who defeated Kaido but still not acknowledging he is definitely stronger in a 1 on 1.

Ofcourse GB's statement is power level related. You have to be a Yonkou to pull it off, but it's nothing more than that.

Kaidou being a deterrent is a fact, Admirals are not allowed to attack Yonkou territories by design, and other Yonkou and pirates never dare step foot on these territories, this included WB. This applies to Big Mom just the same, WCI was untouched long as she was there. Greenbull was just stating the obvious to a bunch of hicks who were cut off from the rest of the world, telling them that taking out Kaidou only meant another Kaidou can step in. This reality forced Yamato to give up on her dream of leaving.

The scene and statement served a very specific purpose, power level? Ofcourse but it's not like Greenbull was just going to have to deal with Luffy, he walked in alone on an alliance worth far more than Kaidou alone. So that is already a sign of what he was referring to.

When it comes to the statements, Kizaru's is far more isolated as a power lvl statement, specifically talking about Luffy having the power to defeat Kaidou after Kizaru has had a shot at trading blows with him.

Either through Greenbull's actions or Kizaru's statement on Kaidou, the GB statement doesn't check out at all as anything more than Kaidou being called a Yonkou.

 

[Juanpiz]

It do truely be like that