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1. Who wrote the dialogue
2. Did Hiruzen or Minato, two people who would be fully capable of refuting Orochimaru, step up to do so?

It is presented as a fact with the story moving on, there’s no indication Orochimaru is wrong here.
So according to you all dialogue in a story is true due to it being written by the author? Be serious

It isn’t presented as fact. Is Tobirama’s understanding of the “Uchiha evil” and their mental struggles presented as fact because no one in the room refuted it? If we use your logic then it should be

No, Tobirama just invented a morally atrocious jutsu that requires human sacrifice and grave robbing.

That’s not a good legacy lmfao
I didn’t claim it was a good legacy. All I said was it can’t be used to place the blame on him.

Tobirama isn’t the one that brought Madara back to life. Again, you’re trying to pin the blame on him for things he didn’t do

He made the jutsu, used it for war, then passed away. Everything that happened with it afterwards has nothing to do with him
 

TheAncientCenturion

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nobody questioned Tobirama explaining uchiha self destructive stuff and how they are a danger too. Not even hashi who lived through the uchiha senju war and had uchiha friends.

So by your logic, he was 100% justified to discriminate against uchiha
He’s documenting facts that’s true. That scene was written to excuse Sasuke’s mood swings and justify him flipping around.

yeah he is a fan of the jutsu inventing shit
not policy...

you can like a guy's inventions and still lie about him lol.
The issue is you guys are going right to “he’s lying!!!” Without giving any proof to the claim.

We have nothing to contradict Orochimaru, we have no other note of Tobirama’s tenure as Kage and the conversation moves on.

At that point, it should be accepted as fact and moved on from.
 
:kobeha::kobeha::kobeha: No he didn’t build the shinobi world lmfao and even if he did, that’s a total negative. The Shinobi world is a silent antagonist in all of Shippuden. It was the big obstacle to world peace


You have it the other way around, before the establishment of this Shinobi villages it was a constant all out war
Shinobi world is civilization
Tobirama is the father of civilization and modern jutsu
 

TheAncientCenturion

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So according to you all dialogue in a story is true due to it being written by the author? Be serious

It isn’t presented as fact. Is Tobirama’s understanding of the “Uchiha evil” and their mental struggles presented as fact because no one in the room refuted it? If we use your logic then it should be
We literally see Sasuke go through that process lol.

Yea—This is the one bit of info we have on Tobirama as Kage, nobody in the manga contradicts it.

So it’s canon. If kishi wanted to play it as duplicitous or untrue, he would’ve done more with either;

1. Tobirama’s history (which is left barren)
2. The conversation (but it moves right past this)

So we have no reason to think he’s wrong in his assessment of Tobirama. Not one.
He made the jutsu, used it for war, then passed away. Everything that happened with it afterwards has nothing to do with him
yes, he made an awful terrible jutsu on par with Orochimaru’s experiments then died.

This isn’t like atomic weaponry, there isn’t a reason to think anyone else would be inventing this jutsu. In fact nobody did, they had to use and improve the original instead of making their own.

Tobirama brought that into the world when he just could’ve not.
 
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