Spoiler One Piece Chapter 987 Spoilers Discussion

[Seraphoenix]

See ya when he gives Kaido another ptsd moment :cheers:

Zoro should even be lucky to smell Kaido at this point. He is there to fight Who's Who or Jack.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

At this point you should be glad if Zoro even gets to fight Jack instead of a Flying 6.

Denjiro casually held Zoro back. He is far above him. He was smiling while Zoro was crying that Denjiro was strong.

Zoro was trolling against Denjiro, making fun of ninjas, not using Haki or named attacks.

You know Zoro is only one in Wano capable of taming Enma because it requires Odens Godly Haki and if Denjiro tried it he would turn into Hust right??

 

[Ulti]

EoS Zoro whose Haki and swordsship would be tiers above Oden,

Lol nah Oden ~ Ray ~< Eos Zoro
Oden is at worst a very high diff for eos Zoro
And keep your black sword shit for when it revealed how it's done

who fucked Kaido up

Kaido in his weakest form

same Kaido who has not gotten a bit stronger since 20 years as he still thinks its Odens Haki that's hurting him

Headcannon
Kaido matched Oden in base and got overwhelem by a surprise attack in dragon form since he didn't think he can be hurt
Awakening > hybrid > Oden >~ base Kaido

Do you genuinely hate Zoro?

Yeah doesn't make me wrong though

Like that can be the only reason why you can say Kaido ~ or >= EoS Zoro.

Or i could have a brain

If you say EoW Zoro ~ Kaido that is minor Kaido wank but EoS Zoro?

EoW Zoro ~< King is the best you get
Base Kaido >> shilliew > Eow Zoro

Don't expect me to answer any other post i'm trying to avoid powerlevel discussions i will not reply

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Now I'm Luffy fan boy

You've mistaken me with someone else, I hate strowhats, all of them including Luffy.
They destroy every arc they are in, almost entire post timskip was destroyed by the strowhats, with their stupid childish behavior, chip hype that Oda pushes through your throat almost begging to love them.

Lmaoo stop its almost like Oda is begging you to love scabbards and Oden and not giving straw hats enough time. The only person who is shoved down peoples throats (and is a fucking garbage character) is Luffy.

Zoro is hardly shoved down and pre TS he was given appropriate amount of time but those were some of Odas best work.

 

[Irregular]

This hybrid bullshit needs to stop, Oda hides that because its not right time to show it. Oden vs Kaido was him using hostages to save his life from Kaido and getting permanently scarred.

Your opinion about hybrid is not interesting for me. But do you know that all of us reading senen and the strongest feats are usually used at the end?

Base Kaido 20 years ago ~ prime Oden
If you want it i can remember Jozu and Kuzan where Kuzan did the same trick lol

 

[MD Zolo]

But there is and Oda himself made him.
Oda himself placed him as nr1 in SBS interview by picking him as the strongest possible individual to compare with the mother.
Ask yourself, what does Oda gain from not making Kaido be what he made him to be?

Forget our fanboying over different characters and think like the author of the manga.
What would he gain from discrediting the individual who carries the larges battle in the manga so far?
An individual against who he is putting entire armies. Other villains will fight fewer people than Kaido fights

He picked an individual. So? He said that a Mom is even stronger than even Kaido. How does that prove that Kaido is the WSC? And Oda never officially had him as the WSC in the story.

You are trying to establish Kaido as the clear Strongest above all. But I am saying that there is no clear Strongest. You can't determine who will win against whom beforehand when two top tiers fight. And if you can't do it, there is no WSC.

You still haven't my questions. Answer them first. And I tell you what, give me a winner in the following battles (they battle 10 times, put the name of the guy who wins 6)

Kaido vs. Shanks
Kaido vs. BM
Kaido vs. Blackbeard (current)
Kaido vs. Akainu
Kaido vs. Garp
Kaido vs. Mihawk
Kaido vs. Aokiji
Kaido vs. Kizaru
Shanks vs. BM
Shanks vs. Blackbeard
Shanks vs. Garp
Shanks vs. Akainu
Shanks vs. Aokiji
Shanks vs. Kizaru
BM vs. Blackbeard
BM vs. Akainu and so on


If you can, then that's that. For me, I can't. I can't predict who is gonna win in most of these matches. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no WSC.

 

[The Dark Flame]

The Zoro agenda in here tho

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Your opinion about hybrid is not interesting for me. But do you know that all of us reading senen and the strongest feats are usually used at the end?

Base Kaido 20 years ago ~ prime Oden
If you want it i can remember Jozu and Kuzan where Kuzan did the same trick lol

Okay so thing is strongest feats are pulled off when characters are fleshed out like WBs biggest feats were in MF and not against Roger but that doesn't mean WB was only equal to Roger cuz he was pulling punches.

The idea of hybrid form is wrong on so many levels because Oden himself only used one casual hit. Did Oden used all of his swordsmanship, did he use every special technique, did he go all out?

The purpose of that scene was to convey Oden is a superior fighter to Kaido and Oden needs to save his life from Kaido by the use of a hostage. If Hybrid form could save his life, he would use that.

 

[SinOfGreed]

Oden> EoS Zoro
He was portrayed as a brother to WB and Roger similar to Sabo.

Zoro is just an underling for Luffy. He isn't that important.

Zoro is gonna surpass Shanks bro. May as well come to terms with that

 

[Master OF Haki]

Lmaoo stop its almost like Oda is begging you to love scabbards and Oden and not giving straw hats enough time. The only person who is shoved down peoples throats (and is a fucking garbage character) is Luffy.

Zoro is hardly shoved down and pre TS he was given appropriate amount of time but those were some of Odas best work.

Now read very carefully my fellow Zoro fanboy, there are only three characters that I truly like and those characters are Whitbeard, Rayleigh, Shanks.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Zoro is gonna surpass Shanks bro. May as well come to terms with that

He will surpass pre-Yonko Shanks that was equal to WSS
Not Yonko Shanks

 

[Albino 👑]

Spoiler

 

[nik87]

He picked an individual. So? He said that a Mom is even stronger than even Kaido. How does that prove that Kaido is the WSC? And Oda never officially had him as the WSC in the story.

You are trying to establish Kaido as the clear Strongest above all. But I am saying that there is no clear Strongest. You can't determine who will win against whom beforehand when two top tiers fight. And if you can't do it, there is no WSC.

You still haven't my questions. Answer them first. And I tell you what, give me a winner in the following battles (they battle 10 times, put the name of the guy who wins 6)

Kaido vs. Shanks
Kaido vs. BM
Kaido vs. Blackbeard (current)
Kaido vs. Akainu
Kaido vs. Garp
Kaido vs. Mihawk
Kaido vs. Aokiji
Kaido vs. Kizaru
Shanks vs. BM
Shanks vs. Blackbeard
Shanks vs. Garp
Shanks vs. Akainu
Shanks vs. Aokiji
Shanks vs. Kizaru
BM vs. Blackbeard
BM vs. Akainu and so on

If you can, then that's that. For me, I can't. I can't predict who is gonna win in most of these matches. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no WSC.

Because the mother of the fan is not a One Piece character? Do I really have to point out such obvious answers?
He gave him everything a WSC needs, from rumors that he is one, from 1vs1 bet, to ridiculously tough body and ridiculously strong DF.
You constantly keep thinking like a character from One Piece world... Snap out of it and think like Oda.
The only reason why Kaido isnt WSC in your opinion is because you dont want him to be...

Kaido vs Shanks? Kaido
Kaido vs BM? Kaido
Kaido vs Blackbeard? Kaido
Kaido vs Akainu? Kaido
Kaido vs Garp? Kaido
Kaido vs Mihawk? Kaido
Kaido vs Aokiji? Kaido
Kaido vs Kizaru? Kaido

Kaido wins against all of them, at least 6 times out of 10, that is enough to grant him the rumor of 1vs1 champ.

 

[Esc]

That madman Yabuki

Spoiler

 

[HA001]

Because the mother of the fan is not a One Piece character? Do I really have to point out such obvious answers?
He gave him everything a WSC needs, from rumors that he is one, from 1vs1 bet, to ridiculously tough body and ridiculously strong DF.
You constantly keep thinking like a character from One Piece world... Snap out of it and think like Oda.
The only reason why Kaido isnt WSC in your opinion is because you dont want him to be...

Kaido vs Shanks? Kaido
Kaido vs BM? Kaido
Kaido vs Blackbeard? Kaido
Kaido vs Akainu? Kaido
Kaido vs Garp? Kaido
Kaido vs Mihawk? Kaido
Kaido vs Aokiji? Kaido
Kaido vs Kizaru? Kaido

Kaido wins against all of them, at least 6 times out of 10, that is enough to grant him the rumor of 1vs1 champ.

Stop the cap nik.

 

[Courier]

Sanji vs king is now confirmed
Sanji is shown using gun in the color spread.
People keep complaining how sanji will fight swordsman .
Sanji will use his gun to keep aim for Kings hand making king drop his gun again and again . Then the real leg and speed blitz match between them starts .

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Now read very carefully my fellow Zoro fanboy, there are only three characters that I truly like and those characters are Whitbeard, Rayleigh, Shanks.

I am not a Zoro fanboy, my favorite characters are Kaido and Big Mom so watch your mouth

 

[yj]

Sanji vs king is now confirmed
Sanji is shown using gun in the color spread.
People keep complaining how sanji will fight swordsman .
Sanji will use his gun to keep aim for Kings hand making king drop his gun again and again . Then the real leg and speed blitz match between them starts .

 

[Esc]

Sanji vs king is now confirmed
Sanji is shown using gun in the color spread.
People keep complaining how sanji will fight swordsman .
Sanji will use his gun to keep aim for Kings hand making king drop his gun again and again . Then the real leg and speed blitz match between them starts .

Good theory

 

[Irregular]

Okay so thing is strongest feats are pulled off when characters are fleshed out like WBs biggest feats were in MF and not against Roger but that doesn't mean WB was only equal to Roger cuz he was pulling punches.

The idea of hybrid form is wrong on so many levels because Oden himself only used one casual hit. Did Oden used all of his swordsmanship, did he use every special technique, did he go all out?

The purpose of that scene was to convey Oden is a superior fighter to Kaido and Oden needs to save his life from Kaido by the use of a hostage. If Hybrid form could save his life, he would use that.

Let's talk based on facts.
Based Kaido fought equal Oden two times. Kaido wasn`t using hybrid and awakened. It was 20 years ago and Oden asked Kaido to get stronger. So it will be so. We are reading the senen after all.

We know that Kaido has hybrid and awakened and to defeat Kaido he must use his stronger feat and he did it. Kaido did`t show us his stronger feats because the plot.

He didn`t use hostage. The hostage did it of his own will.