Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1143 Spoilers Discussion

[BangOO🍅]

no raws??

 

[Erkan12]

Lmao you gotta stop this shit. If Kuzan had Garp punching power, he would have went fist to fist with Garp. Him punching Garp in the face and sending him flying, is shit Luffy did pre-TS.

When Garp and Chinjao threw down for a duel they both clashed with their attacks. Same for Roger and Whitebeard, Luffy vs Kaido. What Oda did with Kuzan is just sly shit.

I'll give Kuzan more credit for being able to eat a Garp fist.

Garp wasn't defending with Haki vs Luffy similar to Luffy hitting Teach who wasn't defending. Against Aokiji, Garp was defending with Haki.

Thats like the difference between Teach gets hurt by Ace's attacks at the beginning then even stronger Ace's attacks doesn't work on Teach once he got serious despite Darkness nerf his defense. Or, Whoswho was able to pierce Jinbe, but when Jinbe started to defend more seriously Whoswho's fingers got broken.

No one could have predicted Kuzan had Garp The Fist lvl raw punching power, Admirals are just that well rounded where they can match other top tiers in their specialties
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Aokiji used his DF power there ''Ice Glove'' to boost his attack, also Garp himself said many times he is weaker due to old age, then Shiryu stabbed him, and weakened Garp even more thats when Aokiji clashed with nerfed Garp equally by using ''Ice Glove''.

That only proved Prime Garp has stronger physical and Haki stats than Akainu/Aokiji, even Old Garp might have stronger physical stats as we see at the beginning when Garp ragdolled Aokiji, without Shiryu weakening him by piercing his chest Aokiji couldn't clash Garp equally.

Then massively weakened Garp does this to once again prove his physical and Haki stats above Akainu/Aokiji:

This is the most amazing lie I’ve seen in 2025 lmfao.

Does anyone think Admiral hate is still legit or can we finally dismiss all these people as malicious liars? Lol

His argument is terrible, he just makes Ladmiral fans look good lmao.

Garp > Akainu/Aokiji is obvious as I explained above, nothing to do with PreTS Luffy punching Garp.

Let’s not pretend that you weren’t in denial for two years straight as well. Lol

The three types of One Piece fans are:

-People who immediately recognized that Ryokugyu has a black blade (genius level intellects)

-People who denied the black blade for two years straight (casuals who should defer to their betters in all matters of reading comprehension)

-People who still to this day deny Ryokugyu’s black blade (the mentally ill)

There were people who also wisely chose to fence sit the issue but in general these were the three camps people fell into.

Greenbull having black blade didn't hype him but only shut ZKKfans as usual. I was saying Black Blade doesn't show superior power long before Greenbull's confirmed black blade.

Roger or Rayleigh not having black blade already proves that is not related to power levels. There is some trick to it we don't know yet, probably having some kind of drama trauma as we now know Mihawk was betrayed so bad he become a Marine Hunter psycho, and Greenbull also has a traumatic past.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

His argument is terrible, he just makes Ladmiral fans look good lmao.

@sanjikun you dome FUCKED UP if Erkan is calling you out. Lmfao

 

[qwer8888]

Let’s not pretend that you weren’t in denial for two years straight as well. Lol

The three types of One Piece fans are:

-People who immediately recognized that Ryokugyu has a black blade (genius level intellects)

-People who denied the black blade for two years straight (casuals who should defer to their betters in all matters of reading comprehension)

-People who still to this day deny Ryokugyu’s black blade (the mentally ill)

There were people who also wisely chose to fence sit the issue but in general these were the three camps people fell into.

There are people who believe that this is not a sword, but a police baton

 

[L57]

I'd knew you'd use this dumbfuck argument

1) Neither of those are drawn completely black in the manga, they're white so there's no real method of distinguishing. GB's blade follows the exact same color scheme as other black blades

2) Ok sure, the official coloring manga has been wrong a couple of times. Doesn't change the fact it's literally been correct 99% of the time. What about the minor characters? Are their coloring schemes non-canon to cause it didn't appear in a volume cover. Official coloring manga has been correct more than enough points to believe the coloring scheme is canon until proven otherwise. Oda hasn't drawn GB's black blade in any other way so it's canon until then

Loki s hammer in manga black
Oda s color in cover blue Pack it up

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Loki bascially confessed the thing.

He just siad he didn't want to do It.

The biggest character in Fish-Man Island is Shirahoshi. Her mother was killed by an angry Fish-Man who hated Otohime for wanting to join the World Government.

IMO, this is a reverse Otohime. Loki killed Harald to stop Elbaph from allying with the WG. It fits with Loki being recruited to join the Holy Knights.

Don't forget the throw-away line about Shamrock visiting Harald's grave; it's possible Harald was going to become a Holy Knight, too.

The Loki vs Harald scene will probably have a lot of arguing over world politics.

 

[sanjikun]

The output from this trade was portrayed evenly for both of them, but this isn't even the primary proof of Kuzan's raw punching power being on Garp's lvl, it was the battleship bags where his punch sounded the exact same as Garp's and his battleship looked the exact same visually. This just supports it.


Lol...wow, didn't think I would ever see such an ill advised comparison. Wouldn't expect anything less from the same guy who was saying Admirals are Kidd lvl because of the 3 bill bounties, but then backtracking and saying the bounties don't matter when Akainu got 5 bil. There's little logic in what you say when you think with your feelings.

I think Kid and Law are Low Admiral level, yes. Law wouldn't be able to fight BB otherwise, but I don't see what that has to do with this. Proper strength is measured in a direct clash.

Like I said, I give more credit to Kuzan for eating a Garp punch. But it doesn't take much to hurt old Garp with a punch.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Proper strength is measured in a direct clash.

If that were the case, Lucci would be Nika level. Yamato would also be Kaido level.

A single clash tells us very little about overall power levels. No wonder you are so confused lmfao.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I think Kid and Law are Low Admiral level, yes. Law wouldn't be able to fight BB otherwise, but I don't see what that has to do with this. Proper strength is measured in a direct clash.

Like I said, I give more credit to Kuzan for eating a Garp punch. But it doesn't take much to hurt old Garp with a punch.

They're not low Admiral level lol.
And if they're intended to be, then Oda did a shit job of it.
Because one:
An Admiral wouldn't get neg diffed by Shanks
Two: An Admiral wouldn't be mid diffed by Blackbeard
Three: An Admiral wouldn't have 0 Haki feats like Kidd does

 

[sanjikun]

If that were the case, Lucci would be Nika level. .

No it doesn't because that punch was not the pinnacle of Luffy's strength. That's not even 1% of 1% of his power.

 

[MarineHQ]

It's evident that Egghead completely broke Sanjikun lmfao

 

[sanjikun]

They're not low Admiral level lol.
And if they're intended to be, then Oda did a shit job of it.
Because one:
An Admiral wouldn't get neg diffed by Shanks
Two: An Admiral wouldn't be mid diffed by Blackbeard
Three: An Admiral wouldn't have 0 Haki feats like Kidd does

Yeah, Oda did a shit job of it, especially with Kid, but Law and Blackbeard had a giant clash out of which BB was clearly tired and bruised. That's way beyond anything a High Tier can do.

And to be fair to Kid, GB was wi-fi diffed by Shanks and Shanks just jammed his pipe bomb.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's evident that Egghead completely broke Sanjikun lmfao

Wasn't he saying stuff like Doffy is a top tier before Egghead even started? I don't think Egghead is why he's like this..

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

No it doesn't because that punch was not the pinnacle of Luffy's strength. That's not even 1% of 1% of his power.

That punch was also not even close to the pinnacle of Lucci's strength. Lucci has far stronger techniques than basic punches? Lol

 

[sanjikun]

Wasn't he saying stuff like Doffy is a top tier before Egghead even started? I don't think Egghead is why he's like this..

I think people get too obsessed with the "Top Tier" shit. I think there is a class of pirates like Doffy, Kid, Law, Kuma, etc. who are between the YCs and Yonkos.

I call them "Low Top Tier". If you don't want to use that term and only use it for Yonkos/Admirals, that's fine. Just saying powerscaling is a gradient.

That punch was also not even close to the pinnacle of Lucci's strength. Lucci has far stronger techniques than basic punches? Lol

Yes, and in their max, we know who wins. Lucci doesn't have anything on Bajrang level.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I think people get too obsessed with the "Top Tier" shit. I think there is a class of pirates like Doffy, Kid, Law, Kuma, etc. who are between the YCs and Yonkos.

I call them "Low Top Tier". If you don't want to use that term and only use it for Yonkos/Admirals, that's fine. Just saying powerscaling is a gradient.

Lmfao Doffy also isn't a low top tier. Not when he has worse feats than Queen, King and Katakuri.

Yeah, Oda did a shit job of it, especially with Kid, but Law and Blackbeard had a giant clash out of which BB was clearly tired and bruised. That's way beyond anything a High Tier can do.

And to be fair to Kid, GB was wi-fi diffed by Shanks and Shanks just jammed his pipe bomb.

He wasn't "wifi diffed", he just didn't want to risk having to fight Shanks especially when he wasn't even after Shanks in the first place. He just wanted to arrest/eliminate Luffy.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

We getting the raws with the next chapter's spoilers.

 

[HA001]

Greenbull still doesn't have a black blade

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yes, and in their max, we know who wins. Lucci doesn't have anything on Bajrang level.

How do you know that? We saw them clash equally right? Lol

Lucci could just dodge Bajrang Gun, not everyone is as stupid as Kaido. What good would Bajrang Gun be against characters who can easily dodge it. Lol

 

[sanjikun]

Lmfao Doffy also isn't a low top tier. Not when he has worse feats than Queen, King and Katakuri.

He wasn't "wifi diffed", he just didn't want to risk having to fight Shanks especially when he wasn't even after Shanks in the first place. He just wanted to arrest/eliminate Luffy.

By Oda's own words, Doffy was supposed to fight alongside Kaido in Wano. That's why he was called Joker. K/Q were not fighting beside him.

It's clear originally Oda had something like:

Luffy v. Kaido
Kid v. BM
Law v. Joker

Zoro/Sanji v. King/Queen

But he said he was surprised by how far Law had come. So he got rid of Doffy early, and downgraded Kid/upgraded Law to take down BM.

How do you know that? We saw them clash equally right? Lol

Lucci could just dodge Bajrang Gun, not everyone is as stupid as Kaido. What good would Bajrang Gun be against characters who can easily dodge it. Lol

Luffy grabbed Kaido. Not sure why we keep having this convo. He's grabbed even Kizaru multiple times.