Powers & Abilities God's Knights and Gorosei make no sense

[trav]

Ever since the Admirals were depicted as very loyal lapdogs of the government I thought that there had to be some sort of mechanism or superior power that would keep them in check.
My initial thought was that a single rebelling Admiral could be kept in check by the others. Or possible a completely different kind of mechanism to make them stay loyal. Blackmail, stuff like exploding handcuffs, idk.
After a while we saw that Admirals can also fight against top tiers and do very well. 2 Admirals should easily overpower a top tier. Admirals are also not alone, they have other Marines backing them up.
The Marines, with the Admirals and VA etc. alone have enough power to take on a Yonko and their crew. All of the Yonko crews at once is something that people still debate and I do not want to get into this here. A single Yonko crew should definitely be possible for the Marines to take down. After all, even a feeble alliance of 3 startup pirates was going up against BMP (not all of them) and BP.

tl;dr
The Admirals are a formidable force that should be able to change the power balance of the entire One Piece world.
The people who are able to keep them in check have to be even more powerful. Maybe not individually, but at least as a group.

If the Gorosei are able to beat the Admirals. If the God's Knights are able to beat the Admirals.
WTF are the Admirals even for?!? Why the fuck is the WG unable to destroy the revos and pirates?!?
This stuff makes really so little sense its infuriating.

I wonder what kind of explanation Oda will give for this.
Ideas?

 

[MonsterKaido]

Why would you do your dirty work when someone else can do it for you? CDs including gorosei have very little interest to do the hard work themselves. Hence they are concerned with keeping balance of power.

 

[soupongo]

This is why I never really agreed with the comparisons with the cold war and the WG Yonko rivalry. The WG wasn´t doing much to destabilize Yonko rule or anything like the CIA or KGB would do to eachother. The Yonko have influence in the new world and check eachother. For example when Whitebeard was going to save Ace, Kaido moved to attack him but was stopped by Shanks. When Big Mom dreams of allying with the giants she says she will crush the other Yonko, but she doesn´t mention the WG because they rule in completely different regions, with the WG mostly being dominant in the four blues and paradise.

When 2 Yonko did die(?) they really didn´t celebrate and seemed a bit worried if anything. They didn´t really celebrate in their post marineford conversation either. I think the Wg has a really ¨I hope both sides kill eachother mentality¨, I mean the people of Wano or the minorities Big mom rule over aren´t on good terms with the WG, nor the former Rocks pirates who became Yonko. I think when the WG is really worried about Yonko is when 2 Yonko meet and decide to ally with eachother, like Shanks/WB pre time skip or Kaido/Big mom post time skip, because they´re no longer at eachothers throat, but actually at the governments throat.
we did see the Goroseis reaction to the Big Mom Kaido alliance, which was that they needed to do the great cleansing.

So basically, the yonko can remain until they die in the great flood. I still think there is some holes though, for example why is Rayleigh just allowed to live in sabody despite knowing void century secrets? Thats always been bullshit IMO

 

[Dragon777]

Answer: Shamrock aside, all the Holy Roppo would be fodderized by a single Admiral (or Yonkou, obviously).

Gorosei are another matter thanks to regen mostly, but we already saw how much Kizaru was stronger than Saturn.
If regen can be overcome (and It can be, somehow) It's at least very debatable if Gorosei can beat 4 Admirals. Imho, not at all, as they can't beat 4 Emperors, but anyone can have their stance on this.

Overall, as we were told:

If not, Gorosei would have to do 24/7 what the Marine does.

 

[Malick the last Light]

If the Gorosei are able to beat the Admirals. If the God's Knights are able to beat the Admirals.
WTF are the Admirals even for?!? Why the fuck is the WG unable to destroy the revos and pirates?!?
This stuff makes really so little sense its infuriating.
Ideas?

The WG is not unable to destroy either the Revos or the Pirates.

Like, it is not that hard. Imu, if they so chose, could send the Gorosei plus Gods Knights to every single Yonkos territory and wipe them out within a single hour or so, especially if Imu gets involved themselves. The Revos are more tricky since they move around a lot and have less clearly defined and known hideout locations but still WOULD be easily crushed if the WG focused entirely on them.

But why the fuck would they?

People need to understand that in the One Piece world, the Revos and to a far larger extent the pirates both fulfill a desirable role in the world of One Piece. Namely it makes people easier to control ,and less likely to rebel, if they got the feeling "eh, Dragon and his guys and gals probably got it covered, dont want to rock the boat too much" and, more importantly, gets unruly royals on the same page.

A lot of the arrogant, evil, and or stupid rulers of the world likely would be deposed by Dragon and the Revos just as much as the WG would be, so they are by proxy then signing up or assisting the WG more than they otherwise would. Sure, them getting the food supply fucked with was certainly a fuck up and not desire, but that does not mean it happend because the WG as a whole just CANT deal with Revos. If the Gorosei joined Fuji and Greenbull, they kill Sabo and his gang in minutes max, without any Holy Knight aid.

As for Pirates, likewise, what do the Pirates ACTUALLY do that even vaguely affects the World Nobles and overall World Government other than serve as a convenient scapegoat and boogeyman they can point to and say "better pay that heavenly tribute and be thankful for it, because otherwise the big bad pirates will get you" and ocasionally provide them with slaves?

It the same bullshit "well, why dont the WG take down the Yonko if they are so strong?!" question people keep asking. The Yonko, knowingly or not, serve the World Governments interest just fine. Kaido sat on his ass for over 20 years and did jack shit towards the WG.

Neither did Big Mom, or Whitebeard from what we know. She just copied the heavenly tribute of theirs and asked for sweets instead while also crushing lord only knows how many other Pirates over the years. Shanks is literally the only Yonko that we are toil ever directly fucked with them via stealing the Nika fruit and he has special privileges due to his upbringing.

The Yonko, for the most part, are effectively jsut larger Warlords for the WG. They keep smaller, uppity Pirates in line, and furthermore keep each OTHER in line FOR the WG and prevent each other from ever getting the One Piece.

COULD if Imu was just super motivated and got bored playing with butterflies wreck the Yonko/Revos and alter the world? Sure but why bother if it pretty much works? Like, people don't like to talk about this, but it has taken literal fate/destiny bullshit to even make Luffy come as far as he did. If Luffy just drowned in his barrel at the start of the setting, Shanks, the literal only other pirate in the world besides arguably Blackbeard actually doing shit, would have spent lord only knows how much of his life chasing the next Joyboy.

Blackbeard himself would have died to Magellan sicne Luffy never starts his prison break and leads to Shiryu getting out.

For all the criticisms Imu and the WG get for not doing enough, and trust me I get it they should have killed Luffy at the LATEST when he beat Crocodile, they would never have even be in the vague danger of failing if it was not for Plot/Destiny/Oda helping Luffy thus far.

The World Government and Imu have been in charge for 800 years or so plus. They doubtlessly saw countless revolutions and “Yonko” equivalents come and go that amount to fuck all. As if ANY of you would act differently to them, be for real. If you are at the top, for as long as the WG is?

At some stage you do not even bother concerning yourself with the concept of “competition” being possible. The only reason Imu will probably start taking shit seriously is that Luffy awakened the Nika fruit, which has seemingly never happened since Joyboy.

If Luffy just ate… I don’t know the fire fruit or the REAL gum-gum fruit and was just Prime Garp level instead of Joyboy 2.0/Nika 3.0? No shot Imu gives a shit.

 

[Vanlax]

HK deal with countries belonging to the WG.

Gorosei overseers everything.

Admirals and Marines are to fight against low scum pirates.

Why would the superior race do the dirty work?

 

[soupongo]

The WG is not unable to destroy either the Revos or the Pirates.

Like, it is not that hard. Imu, if they so chose, could send the Gorosei plus Gods Knights to every single Yonkos territory and wipe them out within a single hour or so, especially if Imu gets involved themselves. The Revos are more tricky since they move around a lot and have less clearly defined and known hideout locations but still WOULD be easily crushed if the WG focused entirely on them.

But why the fuck would they?

People need to understand that in the One Piece world, the Revos and to a far larger extent the pirates both fulfill a desirable role in the world of One Piece. Namely it makes people easier to control ,and less likely to rebel, if they got the feeling "eh, Dragon and his guys and gals probably got it covered, dont want to rock the boat too much" and, more importantly, gets unruly royals on the same page.

A lot of the arrogant, evil, and or stupid rulers of the world likely would be deposed by Dragon and the Revos just as much as the WG would be, so they are by proxy then signing up or assisting the WG more than they otherwise would. Sure, them getting the food supply fucked with was certainly a fuck up and not desire, but that does not mean it happend because the WG as a whole just CANT deal with Revos. If the Gorosei joined Fuji and Greenbull, they kill Sabo and his gang in minutes max, without any Holy Knight aid.

As for Pirates, likewise, what do the Pirates ACTUALLY do that even vaguely affects the World Nobles and overall World Government other than serve as a convenient scapegoat and boogeyman they can point to and say "better pay that heavenly tribute and be thankful for it, because otherwise the big bad pirates will get you" and ocasionally provide them with slaves?

It the same bullshit "well, why dont the WG take down the Yonko if they are so strong?!" question people keep asking. The Yonko, knowingly or not, serve the World Governments interest just fine. Kaido sat on his ass for over 20 years and did jack shit towards the WG.

Neither did Big Mom, or Whitebeard from what we know. She just copied the heavenly tribute of theirs and asked for sweets instead while also crushing lord only knows how many other Pirates over the years. Shanks is literally the only Yonko that we are toil ever directly fucked with them via stealing the Nika fruit and he has special privileges due to his upbringing.

The Yonko, for the most part, are effectively jsut larger Warlords for the WG. They keep smaller, uppity Pirates in line, and furthermore keep each OTHER in line FOR the WG and prevent each other from ever getting the One Piece.

COULD if Imu was just super motivated and got bored playing with butterflies wreck the Yonko/Revos and alter the world? Sure but why bother if it pretty much works? Like, people don't like to talk about this, but it has taken literal fate/destiny bullshit to even make Luffy come as far as he did. If Luffy just drowned in his barrel at the start of the setting, Shanks, the literal only other pirate in the world besides arguably Blackbeard actually doing shit, would have spent lord only knows how much of his life chasing the next Joyboy.

Blackbeard himself would have died to Magellan sicne Luffy never starts his prison break and leads to Shiryu getting out.

For all the criticisms Imu and the WG get for not doing enough, and trust me I get it they should have killed Luffy at the LATEST when he beat Crocodile, they would never have even be in the vague danger of failing if it was not for Plot/Destiny/Oda helping Luffy thus far.

The World Government and Imu have been in charge for 800 years or so plus. They doubtlessly saw countless revolutions and “Yonko” equivalents come and go that amount to fuck all. As if ANY of you would act differently to them, be for real. If you are at the top, for as long as the WG is?

At some stage you do not even bother concerning yourself with the concept of “competition” being possible. The only reason Imu will probably start taking shit seriously is that Luffy awakened the Nika fruit, which has seemingly never happened since Joyboy.

If Luffy just ate… I don’t know the fire fruit or the REAL gum-gum fruit and was just Prime Garp level instead of Joyboy 2.0/Nika 3.0? No shot Imu gives a shit.

Are they not plotting to destroy the world rn though? They´re probably concerned with the current state of things

 

[nik87]

If the Gorosei are able to beat the Admirals. If the God's Knights are able to beat the Admirals.
WTF are the Admirals even for?!? Why the fuck is the WG unable to destroy the revos and pirates?!?

WG war will give an explanation to these questions.
It will not be enough to handle 4 Emperors and the Revolutionary Army.

 

[trav]

People need to understand that in the One Piece world, the Revos and to a far larger extent the pirates both fulfill a desirable role in the world of One Piece. Namely it makes people easier to control ,and less likely to rebel, if they got the feeling "eh, Dragon and his guys and gals probably got it covered, dont want to rock the boat too much"

This is complete nonsense. The revos are ACTIVELY recruiting other nations and are ACTIVELY working against the WG.
The WG does not tolerate them at all and they serve no purpose that is in any ways beneficial to the WG. Much less now that Sabo has seen Imu.
The WG wants the revos dead and gone. This is undisputable.

what do the Pirates ACTUALLY do that even vaguely affects the World Nobles and overall World Government

The pirates ultimate goal is also uncovering the truth about the void century which the WG tries to hide no matter what. They would rather genocide entire Islands than let even a little bit of the information of it slip out.
Every pirate that aims to become PK and go to Laugh Tale is a liability for them. A stalemate situation between the Yonko was always going to come to an end eventually. Beating a Yonko crew and taking possession of their RP would be the wisest course of action.
IF THEY COULD.
With Admirals alone it may have been risky. Which Gorosei, Admirals and the GK not so much. At least not by how they were depicted.
It is more or less confirmed that Shamrock managed to scar WB for life.

Why would the superior race do the dirty work?

Why would they be lax for 800 years and let their mortal enemies gain a foothold if they were able to prevent that from happening?
Your point makes little to no sense. GK and Gorosei are fighters. We saw this. They may not be dealing with everyday tasks and opponents, but they definitely spring into action when something that threatens their rule comes up. Revos and pirates do just that and the Gorosei and GK remained inactive for so long? Its so bizarre.

WG war will give an explanation to these questions.

Of course Oda will give some sort of explanation. I would like to hear what anyone else think this may be.

It will not be enough to handle 4 Emperors and the Revolutionary Army.

I do not even view the looming thread of a hidden Ancient Weapon as enough reason to remain idle for so long when their enemies are rapidly gaining power.

 

[NAMELESS]

This is complete nonsense. The revos are ACTIVELY recruiting other nations and are ACTIVELY working against the WG.
The WG does not tolerate them at all and they serve no purpose that is in any ways beneficial to the WG. Much less now that Sabo has seen Imu.
The WG wants the revos dead and gone. This is undisputable.

The pirates ultimate goal is also uncovering the truth about the void century which the WG tries to hide no matter what. They would rather genocide entire Islands than let even a little bit of the information of it slip out.
Every pirate that aims to become PK and go to Laugh Tale is a liability for them. A stalemate situation between the Yonko was always going to come to an end eventually. Beating a Yonko crew and taking possession of their RP would be the wisest course of action.
IF THEY COULD.
With Admirals alone it may have been risky. Which Gorosei, Admirals and the GK not so much. At least not by how they were depicted.
It is more or less confirmed that Shamrock managed to scar WB for life.

Why would they be lax for 800 years and let their mortal enemies gain a foothold if they were able to prevent that from happening?
Your point makes little to no sense. GK and Gorosei are fighters. We saw this. They may not be dealing with everyday tasks and opponents, but they definitely spring into action when something that threatens their rule comes up. Revos and pirates do just that and the Gorosei and GK remained inactive for so long? Its so bizarre.

Of course Oda will give some sort of explanation. I would like to hear what anyone else think this may be.

I do not even view the looming thread of a hidden Ancient Weapon as enough reason to remain idle for so long when their enemies are rapidly gaining power.

They probably were active, but were never mentioned. I doubt journals cover their activities.

 

[trav]

They probably were active

I think so as well. Inactivity would make no sense. Still. Them being active makes nearly as little sense since all of their enemies should be crushed by now.
Imu explicitely said that Pirates and Revos are a threat to the CDs rule.

 

[kurwa]

What a retard. The military doesn't work by "keeping them in check" dumbass.
President doesn't have his own force that keeps military in check. His military IS the force he DEPENDS on. Marines joined of their own FREE will. If they someone rebels, then they will just be a criminal, it's that simple.

What's next? Gonna claim that your mommy doesn't make sense because there's nothing preventing her from bashing your skull when you were a toddler?

 

[JDragon20]

Because Oda is a hack and can't draw a competent villain group.

 

[trav]

"keeping them in check"

Joining the Marines by their own free will and learning how corrupt and evil the entire organization is are 2 different things.
You need to have control over people to make them do what you want. The ultimate authority always is and will be violence. The military works that way as well.
One Piece is not the real world though. People in the military are not a 1 man army that can kill basically everyone 2 ranks below them at the same time. In the real world any high ranking military person that plans to drastically change the system they learned was evil also has the looming threat of everyone else not going along with their little coup etat and stabbing them in the back to escape eventual punishment.
Admirals on the other hand are 1 man armies that need to be controlled in one way or another. Blind obedience or a hunger for cruelty like Lobb Lucci has may be a reasonable explanation for a few characters, but not for all of them. Aokiji defected cause he saw the system for what it is. Fujitora is straight up disobeying orders because he also found out that the WG and the Marines are doing straight up evil things.
What exactly is stopping this from happening in the future if they have no actual power over the Admirals. Ryukogyu and Akainu may be braindead enough to roll with it infinitely, but not even Kizaru is as daft. Especially not after EH.

We saw how Imu keeps control over the Gorosei. He took ones life away on a whim. That is quite good motivation to stay in line.
The GK have a vested interest in keeping the system the way it is. Them being loyal makes sense. There is no real issue here. Admirals on the other hand have friend and family that are not CDs. That do not necessarily benefit from the system. In Kizarus case it even got his life long friend murderd. Kuzan had to participate in a genocide and watch innocents die. How do they make them go along with this if not through superior power or other means? Anyways, not really the topic of this thread.
If you want to reason that the Admirals are stronger than Gorosei and GK combined, sure, why not. As unreasonable as that sounds at the moment it would explain why there is still power struggle. Then again, it makes little to no sense if there is not some caveat.

Also, if you try to be a condescending dickhead then at least present a coherent and plausible argument not riddled with false equivalents and bad reasoning.

 

[Bullet]

By the end of the series when everyone joins together and barely wins against the WG you are gonna go back to reread stuff about being worried regarding Wano or that Elbaph was a huge threat to them and laugh like when everyone panics because Moriah or another one the seven bums was defeated and this is gonna change the balance of power.

 

[haxxor]

After a while we saw that Admirals can also fight against top tiers and do very well. 2 Admirals should easily overpower a top tier.

How long did it take you to realize this

 

[trav]

By the end of the series when everyone joins together and barely wins against the WG you are gonna go back to reread stuff

This is exactly the issue. With the current supposed power that the WG holds there should be no "banding together". All enemies would already be crushed and helplessly outmatched. For some reason this has not happened.
Either the Gorosei and the GK are not that strong and they have other methods to keep the Marines from rebelling, or there is something that keeps the Gorosei and GK under control in some way. A reason why they can not magically go into any country and start stealing the children and stuff.

No one needs to ask themselves anything in hindsight. I ask now why the WG is not already 100% in control. An explanation for why the power structure in unfolding the way it does right now.
The kingdoms they dominate have Pell level characters as their strongest force or impotent Hajrudin guys being the kingsblood for those countries that oppose them. Yamato is the current strongest fighter of a non-WG-country. And that is from the fabled Wano... We still do not know enough about Loki.
Why would the WG even need the other countries if they got Admirals + (at least) 9 guys stronger than them?!? Also warlord level mindless goons with ultragenes because why not.

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[yoyoyotony]

WG got complacent but it is true they have ruled since 800 years and probably true they faced many revolutions and "emperors".

The yonko system was probably recent and a direct result of the rock's pirates disbanding. There probably wasn't yonko before, but maybe other great pirates holding territories somewhere, maybe forming alliances or having clashes too.

I think they could crush pirates and revos now, but it would be very hard and costing, and they know they have to do it again in 50 years, so why not ride the wave a bit more. Plus, Imu personally, seems like a rather chill and secretive guy or girl... They'd rather wait and see than crush everyone all the time I guess. I guess part of him is mirrored in Kaido (and other villains through the series), but imagine Wano on a global scale... Poor civilians, famine, death, weapons factories everywhere. Kinda boring and hard to maintain lol. Imu is some other kind of dictator. He got almost a whole planet of people giving him their stuff yearly and they don't even know he exists... And he doesn't even have to try very hard.

I can see many reasons for him to let the water boil (or rise actually) slowly :
- he wants to get another Nika awakening and kill him for good this time.
- he wants someone to find laugh tale/one piece to destroy it for good or use it.
- he knows the water rise is cyclical and all his enemies are gonna drown, so why bother ?
- he wants to die, like Kaido lol

That being said, I think we're at the point where the water is boiling, Nika is back, there are even two or more of them (Bonney and Loki ?), many great pirates are supporting him, his dad might too...

So :
1) WG/Imu was really semi-incompetent and/or got complacent after a long rein. Maybe they just weren't really that strong to begin with and they lose the war.
2) It was all a training montage, "orchestrated" by Imu, like Shanks seems to have orchestrated Luffy's life... A little nudge here and then, a little island destroyed there, a great pirate killed/recruited... You keep pirates in check but you give them the equator of the planet as a laboratory, but you have a plan. It might fail but it's just the culmination of a 800+ war.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

If the Gorosei are able to beat the Admirals. If the God's Knights are able to beat the Admirals.
WTF are the Admirals even for?!? Why the fuck is the WG unable to destroy the revos and pirates?!?

Bro is so close to understanding his favorites are weaker than the Admirals lmfao

Classic Trav brain damage.

 

[Roo]

The marines exist to enforce the WG’s rules

the god’s knights exist to serve as the CD’s private police force

the Gorosei are politicians who seldom see combat, but since they’re probably retired god knights can step up as a last resort

then Yonko are controlled opposition. The WG wants the marines and pirates at odds because is easier to control them that way