Versus Battle Kochou and GKHK vs Gyou’Un and ChougaRyuu

[RayanOO]

Who will win this ?

same number each side neutral ground

let’s go !


@Elder Lee Hung @Bullet @God Buggy @Owl Ki @Greenbeard @SakazOuki @Yo Tan Wa @Pirao @BanditKanki @FutureWarrior123 @Ninjashadow0209

 

[SakazOuki]

If the armies are small in size I favor Gyouun
If it's a large scale battle, Kochou is more experienced as a supreme leader

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I would probably favor Gyou’Un and Garyuu in a very close fight but it just depends on circumstances. Gakuhaku Kou is probably the best warrior here and Kochou is probably the best mind. Probably. Tough matchup.

 

[SakazOuki]

I would probably favor Gyou’Un and Garyuu in a very close fight but it just depends on circumstances. Gakuhaku Kou is probably the best warrior here and Kochou is probably the best mind. Probably. Tough matchup.

Gaku Haku Kou over Gyou'Un in a duel? This is suprising
Gaku is no pushover, but Gyou'Un is the man

 

[SakazOuki]

Gyou really is the ultimate arc
Gigakou, Gyou'Un, Mouten, Ouhon, Shin, Garyuu, even Makou. Ousen displaying his true tactical mind and reading Riboku's army, Riboku flanking with Bananji, Houken
And finally Ousen delivering the food through Qi
Goated

The buildup with Ousen marching through Zhao probably even better than the war itself

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Gaku Haku Kou over Gyou'Un in a duel? This is suprising
Gaku is no pushover, but Gyou'Un is the man

Gyou’Un has weight but otherwise I would put Gakuhaku Kou above him in every regard. Greater brute strength, greater speed via the Dumpling Arts, greater skill, technique, versatility. If weight didn’t arguably invalidate all of that then I would say GHK is completely superior overall. It would be a close fight between them.

Gyou really is the ultimate arc
Gigakou, Gyou'Un, Mouten, Ouhon, Shin, Garyuu, even Makou. Ousen displaying his true tactical mind and reading Riboku's army, Riboku flanking with Bananji, Houken
And finally Ousen delivering the food through Qi
Goated

The buildup with Ousen marching through Zhao probably even better than the war itself

I said it in 2019, Western Zhao is the best manga arc of all time. Lol

 

[SakazOuki]

Gyou’Un has weight but otherwise I would put Gakuhaku Kou above him in every regard. Greater brute strength, greater speed via the Dumpling Arts, greater skill, technique, versatility. If weight didn’t arguably invalidate all of that then I would say GHK is completely superior overall. It would be a close fight between them.



I said it in 2019, Western Zhao is the best manga arc of all time. Lol

I don't think Gaku Haku has anything near this power
Gaku has his own martial arts and techniques, a unique fighter who would pose a challenge to Gyou'Un, but the gap in power is just big
Call it weight or whatever, it made Gyou'Un a true beast on the field
Akou and Bananji also rank above Gaku in my books

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I don't think Gaku Haku has anything near this power
Gaku has his own martial arts and techniques, a unique fighter who would pose a challenge to Gyou'Un, but the gap in power is just big
Call it weight or whatever, it made Gyou'Un a true beast on the field
Akou and Bananji also rank above Gaku in my books

That’s not really brute strength, just Gyou’Un being an absolute chad and powering through catastrophic damage like a fucking unit.

In terms of brute strength, Gakuhaku Kou is up there with Zenou, his individual blows were like a tornado going off. Look at this shit:

Dude was sending multiple horses and men flying through the air with each blow. His strength was like he was a demigod or some shit (appropriate since his lord was the deity).

And this wasn’t like some one off thing:

Gakuhaku Kou is really HIM to me, he is that enormous powerhouse that the rest of China never acknowledged because he was held up training in Kantan, he was the guy who Shin beat not by strength or skill but by exploiting a really specific weapon disadvantage, GHK is him. He is my Zenou. Lol

 

[SakazOuki]

That’s not really brute strength, just Gyou’Un being an absolute chad and powering through catastrophic damage like a fucking unit.

In terms of brute strength, Gakuhaku Kou is up there with Zenou, his individual blows were like a tornado going off. Look at this shit:

Dude was sending multiple horses and men flying through the air with each blow. His strength was like he was a demigod or some shit (appropriate since his lord was the deity).

And this wasn’t like some one off thing:

Gakuhaku Kou is really HIM to me, he is that enormous powerhouse that the rest of China never acknowledged because he was held up training in Kantan, he was the guy who Shin beat not by strength or skill but by exploiting a really specific weapon disadvantage, GHK is him. He is my Zenou. Lol

Maybe I have to check back his fight
What I remember is an absurdly huge man that is paradoxically a speed based fighter, who isn’t really that strong
Zenou level is a stretch though

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Maybe I have to check back his fight
What I remember is an absurdly huge man that is paradoxically a speed based fighter, who isn’t really that strong
Zenou level is a stretch though

He was all of the above man. The most complete fighter we’ve ever seen. Hara went nuts with him. Lol

What do you call this strength? This is literally some super human shit:

He was a less angry Zenou with Kyoukai arts. Lol

And yeah he had Shin’s number in brute strength as well:

 

[SakazOuki]

He was all of the above man. The most complete fighter we’ve ever seen. Hara went nuts with him. Lol

What do you call this strength? This is literally some super human shit:

He was a less angry Zenou with Kyoukai arts. Lol

And yeah he had Shin’s number in brute strength as well:

Which chapter did you take this from, is it late 600s

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Which chapter did you take this from, is it late 600s

GHK takes action in 684-685, dies in 690

 

[BanditKanki]

Gyou’un and Chougaryu think.
Gakuhaku isn’t all that. He’s a pain in the ass and incredibly hard to deal with but Gyou’un will be able to manipulate his own glaive well enough to land a killing blow eventually.

 

[Bullet]

Even if Gakuhaku is stronger which i heavily doubt, Gyou'Un has his 10 spears to help him or perform the 11 v 1 they pulled off against Ouhon so the martial advantage goes to them and on top of that they a mix of instincts and strategy by combining CGR and Gyou'Un's abilities while Kochou is the only capable leader on the opposite side.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Even if Gakuhaku is stronger which i heavily doubt, Gyou'Un has his 10 spears to help him or perform the 11 v 1 they pulled off against Ouhon so the martial advantage goes to them and on top of that they a mix of instincts and strategy by combining CGR and Gyou'Un's abilities while Kochou is the only capable leader on the opposite side.

The Ten Spears being capable of perceiving the Buddha arts is completely baseless lmfao. No one in the HSU, including the elite Hi Hyou, could even perceive Gakuhaku’s movement. These are the elite soldiers of the Duke Hyou army and they literally couldn’t keep up with him visually:

The Ten Spears would fair no better. The Ten Spears are great but at the end of the day, they are simply elite fodder just like the Hi Hyou. They would not be able to perceive him at all.

As for GHK vs Gyou’Un, like I said Gakuhaku Kou is superior in every single stat with the exception of weight, he was like some demigod sending 7+ horses flying with each swing of his mace.

Gyou’Un has absolutely nothing comparable to this at all. Nothing. In terms of brute strength Gakuhaku is in the same league as people like Zenou, just completely on a level that other humans are just incapable of.

 

[Bullet]

The Ten Spears being capable of perceiving the Buddha arts is completely baseless lmfao. No one in the HSU, including the elite Hi Hyou, could even perceive Gakuhaku’s movement. These are the elite soldiers of the Duke Hyou army and they literally couldn’t keep up with him visually:

The Ten Spears would fair no better. The Ten Spears are great but at the end of the day, they are simply elite fodder just like the Hi Hyou. They would not be able to perceive him at all.

As for GHK vs Gyou’Un, like I said Gakuhaku Kou is superior in every single stat with the exception of weight, he was like some demigod sending 7+ horses flying with each swing of his mace.

Gyou’Un has absolutely nothing comparable to this at all. Nothing. In terms of brute strength Gakuhaku is in the same league as people like Zenou, just completely on a level that other humans are just incapable of.

Yeah he had a couple of insane moments but the spears don't have to take him on 1 v 1
Buddha will have his hands full with Gyou'Un while another 10 decent warriors encircle him and attack him from his blindspots
He might kill some of them but he falls to them regardless

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yeah he had a couple of insane moments but the spears don't have to take him on 1 v 1
Buddha will have his hands full with Gyou'Un while another 10 decent warriors encircle him and attack him from his blindspots
He might kill some of them but he falls to them regardless

I’m not sure man. They may not be able to keep him encircled at all, he got behind the Hi Shin Unit’s charge with nobody noticing him at all.

He really is just insane, Hara went far too silly with him. Lol

 

[RayanOO]

Kochou > CGR in itself

But CGR has some moves from RSJ himself that are difficult to handle even for a great mind

and I have Gyou Un > GKHK. Weight is a big factor and even outside of weight Gyou Un is a unit and instinct is a bitch

I think I can favor the RDJ duo here

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Imo, I think Kochou is underrated. Man should be above every Great Heavens' subordinates by portrayal. I don't believe in the "Instinctual > Strategic" formula as Riboku himself is a Strategic general that beats Duke Hyou, the strongest Instinctual general we've seen so far.

Buddha is a hax, man's literally Kyoukai on steroids with Moubu body. It would be hard to defeat him on the ground. But martially, I don't really think he's above Gyou'Un tbh.

But I gotta give it to Kochou here at the end. Stalling Kanki, Ousen and Yotanwa for 2 years is no easy feat.

 

[BanditKanki]

The Ten Spears being capable of perceiving the Buddha arts is completely baseless lmfao. No one in the HSU, including the elite Hi Hyou, could even perceive Gakuhaku’s movement. These are the elite soldiers of the Duke Hyou army and they literally couldn’t keep up with him visually:

The Ten Spears would fair no better. The Ten Spears are great but at the end of the day, they are simply elite fodder just like the Hi Hyou. They would not be able to perceive him at all.

As for GHK vs Gyou’Un, like I said Gakuhaku Kou is superior in every single stat with the exception of weight, he was like some demigod sending 7+ horses flying with each swing of his mace.

Gyou’Un has absolutely nothing comparable to this at all. Nothing. In terms of brute strength Gakuhaku is in the same league as people like Zenou, just completely on a level that other humans are just incapable of.

Shin and his soldiers have nothing to compare with the 10 bow tactic so it isn’t really a valid example