One Piece Episode 1126 - Looming Despair! Admiral Kizaru's Depressing Mission

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luffy isnt beating any valid top tier without gear 5
small sample size but I think its a fair take


Kizaru doesnt seem to phased with gear 4
boundman prob packs more of a punch but am not sure its fast enough. But the gap with gear 5 was astronomical, havent seen anyone really compete with him equally in that form.
The problem is also Oda's writing.

Now that we have Gear 5 the only purpose of Gear 4 is to be a jobber form.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
luffy isnt beating any valid top tier without gear 5
small sample size but I think its a fair take


Kizaru doesnt seem to phased with gear 4
boundman prob packs more of a punch but am not sure its fast enough. But the gap with gear 5 was astronomical, havent seen anyone really compete with him equally in that form.
Kaido kinda did, bar BG where even against that it was a competition before he gave up and that Kaido was on his last knees. People forget that Awakened Mythical Zoans have crazy regen so Luffy was recovering and was in better shape against Kaido.
 
The problem is also Oda's writing.

Now that we have Gear 5 the only purpose of Gear 4 is to be a jobber form.
correct but jobber against top tiers
he sort of hit a ceiling with it with kaido as well where he could compete with him but couldnt exactly overwhelm him
at least oda is consistent in that regard.
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As it stands the gap between Gear 4 and Gear 5 is so big that you can unironically probably put like 10-15 characters in that gap
yup
 
correct but jobber against top tiers
he sort of hit a ceiling with it with kaido as well where he could compete with him but couldnt exactly overwhelm him
at least oda is consistent in that regard.
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yup
People like to say "the only reason Kizaru could do that to Gear 4 is his speed other admirals can't do that to Gear 4" but I can pretty much guarantee that if Oda is writing an admiral vs Gear 4 fight he is going to have them overpower it somehow. Kizaru's speed is just his most obvious advantage so Oda used it.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
As it stands the gap between Gear 4 and Gear 5 is so big that you can unironically probably put like 10-15 characters in that gap
Like who.
correct but jobber against top tiers
he sort of hit a ceiling with it with kaido as well where he could compete with him but couldnt exactly overwhelm him
at least oda is consistent in that regard.
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yup
Personally the Kaido that full power G4 was competing with was still not Kaido at full power, we saw exactly what he was doing after against G5. Even using new moves he didnt use against G4.

But people are overreacting when they say G4 cant compete with top tiers, it can. If Luffy actually uses all his arsenal which he wasnt, granted Kizaru wasnt either but thats besides the point.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Like who.

Personally the Kaido that full power G4 was competing with was still not Kaido at full power, we saw exactly what he was doing after against G5. Even using new moves he didnt use against G4.

But people are overreacting when they say G4 cant compete with top tiers, it can. If Luffy actually uses all his arsenal which he wasnt, granted Kizaru wasnt either but thats besides the point.
In reality kaido killed g4 with plenty left in the tank after a gauntlet.
 
People like to say "the only reason Kizaru could do that to Gear 4 is his speed other admirals can't do that to Gear 4" but I can pretty much guarantee that if Oda is writing an admiral vs Gear 4 fight he is going to have them overpower it somehow. Kizaru's speed is just his most obvious advantage so Oda used it.
My brother luffy did not use conqueror infusion with Gear 4
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
People like to say "the only reason Kizaru could do that to Gear 4 is his speed other admirals can't do that to Gear 4" but I can pretty much guarantee that if Oda is writing an admiral vs Gear 4 fight he is going to have them overpower it somehow. Kizaru's speed is just his most obvious advantage so Oda used it.
Oda not drawing Luffy using ACoC against Kizaru in G4 is whats weird, its just nonsense when he was spamming it in Wano. Sure Kizaru was doding most of the attacks Katakuri style apparently but still. It actually pissed me off, Oda always draws Luffy like a jobber at the start of every arc.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
Most top tiers are in that area and maybe even characters like Ben Beckman.
Would you agree if Kaido was fresh vs G5 and going all out from jump he wins? I think he does given how he manhandled G5 while at his lowest stamina wise. And I think Kizaru would also handle G5 well going all out due to his katakuri like dodging,etc.
 
Oda not drawing Luffy using ACoC against Kizaru in G4 is whats weird, its just nonsense when he was spamming it in Wano. Sure Kizaru was doding most of the attacks Katakuri style apparently but still. It actually pissed me off, Oda always draws Luffy like a jobber at the start of every arc.
I mean if Luffy was completely gassed before Kizaru even did the aerial kick (the reason Gear 4 makes Luffy tired in the first place is because of haki usage), wouldn't he be gassed way sooner (I think he did use ACOC in Gear 4 against Kizaru btw just making this point)?

My brother luffy did not use conqueror infusion with Gear 4
Whatever excuses help you sleep at night.
 
Oda not drawing Luffy using ACoC against Kizaru in G4 is whats weird, its just nonsense when he was spamming it in Wano. Sure Kizaru was doding most of the attacks Katakuri style apparently but still. It actually pissed me off, Oda always draws Luffy like a jobber at the start of every arc.
Because it was meant to be that way.
- admirals are not made like kaidou to tank AdCoC strikes continously.

- Kizaru was out in one AdCoC strike
- Aokiji was out for a while with blue hole
- Greenbull succumbed to Shanks AdCoC
- All the Admirals had shit scared face on their face they found out luffy had CoC in Marineford.

" That's a fearsome Ability "
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I didnt say defeat, I said compete. I mean G5 itself lasts like 15 mintues or something.
And that's exactly why Luffy is not stronger than Admirals nor Yonkou.

bro got 3~4 chances against Kaidou
2 chances against kizaru who wasn't even taking him seriously.
 
Like who.

Personally the Kaido that full power G4 was competing with was still not Kaido at full power, we saw exactly what he was doing after against G5. Even using new moves he didnt use against G4.

But people are overreacting when they say G4 cant compete with top tiers, it can. If Luffy actually uses all his arsenal which he wasnt, granted Kizaru wasnt either but thats besides the point.
kizaru wasn't either which is unfortunately why I dont think any g4 form is capable of beating him.

ofc I don't think its a one shot, i think its fairly competitive but I just don't see luffy winning,
That form simply hasnt shown it has the combination of power or speed necessary to actually topple a top tier.
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
I mean if Luffy was completely gassed before Kizaru even did the aerial kick (the reason Gear 4 makes Luffy tired in the first place is because of haki usage), would he be gassed way sooner?



Whatever excuses help you sleep at night.
He would be if he wasnt fast enough to connect between Kizarus guard and his katakuri like logia dodge which was shown in the anime. Every top tier has their strength and weaknesses.

But being objective I legitimately think Kaido is the most ''well rounded'' top tier we have seen fight so far. I think Akainu may be like that or even more if hes awakened. His speed remains to be seen though but he did ''speed blitz'' WB with Hellhound.
 
- Kizaru was out in one AdCoC strike
- Aokiji was out for a while with blue hole
- Greenbull succumbed to Shanks AdCoC
- All the Admirals had shit scared face on their face they found out luffy had CoC in Marineford.

" That's a fearsome Ability "
Not all ACOC is the same.

ACOC attacks from base Luffy + Yamato -> literally 0 threat to an admiral.

An accelerated high range G5 attack with sonic boom flame effect that has ACOC stacked on it? Yes obviously
 
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