[FNZ] Role Madness Overlord Mafia Game Thread

Do you wish for Plurality+hammer option if majority of votes are reached?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • No

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • We want to shorten this day phase to 34 hours

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
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Ali v2

No regret, yet, every regret.
Hime started things off here (#242) notice she did not vote me off.
i feel like anyone who puts "town" in front of the word role or whatever the name of their role is, always ends up being scum lol...
subconscious thing im pretty sure
FF 3 posts later #245 ratchet agreed with her but again with no vote ...I feel like ratchet is being legit here and no foul play involved.

Agreed on this as it's what I was alluding to in his responses lol. Might be a hit...
FF 7 posts after Hime's original 242 post, Flower started the voting process with literally two words #249
then the her direct immediate post after that was ....
LET‘S DO THE TIMEWARP AGAIN!!
Almost if I was outted scum and there is no need to waste any time on me ... poor & funny to say the least.

FF to post #255 by flower, again, she showing what pro-town feats looks like:
It‘s okay Stary.

PARTY TIME!!!
FF to post #257 by LC, he says he caught that thing too and provide a 4 liner post on why that ticked him as overcompensation, imo he is what a legit townie would say, providing the thought process before hand, I think LC is legit here and not jumping anything.
I didnt notice this at first but now that you mention it, he did ask if i was town ,
and i thought realistically what other response is anyone going to give but yes.

and then 4 other post of his are about the same , "town signalling",
if its not some type of restriction chrollo bro might be overcompensating. @Ali v2
FF to post #260 made by Hayumi ... replying to LC and mentioning some part of his argument is NAI while they can agree on the "town role" part, again, no vote here ... just analyzing and dissecting through something that struck as odd, Hayumi gets town points from me:
I think your first point is just NAI, people ask if eachother’s town every game. But yes I think they could be overcompensation by specifically feeling the need to add that town role in there

FF to post #267 where I replied to what Hime and Flower said, I gave codos to Hime for active hunting and I confronted Flower for her in-game bullying, which she continued in post #268 and #269 #270 #272 You would think a seasoned game player would at least give you the courtesy of a proper answer, but no, not flower: (I explain something in this regard at the end, please be patient)
This is so over dramatic rofl.
Okay Imma call it a night. My brain is cooked.
FF to post #290 by Alexis, just keep this post in mind.
Strongly Town-reading Flower.
after that the thread died for a while there were literally nothing going on on my wagon and lots of fluff in between that is until we reached post #306 made by Hime again, this time she justifies her vote on me by quoting others (Ratchet, Flower, LC) and she delivered a more than sussy post saying this:
will point out that i find it kinda weird that so many ppl immediately agreed with my thoughts on Ali tho
im so used to having to point out several posts of a player's before ppl will agree that they r scummy

either i hella cooked with my thought process or there r opportunistic scum here

Anywyas im fine with this direction for now
Vote Lynch Ali
FF to post #307 made by Hime again, where she asks me a question that I thought was obvious meaning-wise" enough and told her not to twist my words here #309 she later on continued her pursuit in post #954 for which I replied in post #984 to finally conclude on post #990 .... here are all the quotes in order:
claiming is the same as what u did?
Nice twisting of words there :optimistic:
its ur quote tf

"you even went a further step on that specific game full claiming D0, so how is this any different?"
your quote of me was cut short hime, I was referring to her Leaning people scum or town based on vibes the last game, I said based on a vibe I don't think this is flower's town gameplay (which at the time it was true regarding posting and activity) .... I said (you even went a further step on that specific game full claiming D0, so how is this any different?) to hint at town's flower gameplay is so active sometimes she even claims early which is something I'm not seeing here (not the claiming bit, I sincerely did not wish her to claim, not at that point at least) but regarding the inactivity part (relative "active hunting" inactivity compared to other games early on)

Why would you cut the quote short? I think the meaning was pretty obvious.
ur quote was abt y she was scum reading u for saying u r town and fluffing around when she does that as town and even goes ahead and claims
then u asked how the claiming thing was diff between her in that game and u in this one

thats what i replied to

FF to post #335 by charlie, he voted me off here, TBF he was following the entire situation from the start, liking some of the above quoted messages in thread and he even asked Michelle what she thinks about the "Ali" situation, so It might seem as out of the blue vote, but I think otherwise, be it he is a good or a bad noodle.
There's no hammer anyway so i'll just throw a vote before VC o:

Vote Lynch Ali

I'm open to alternatives tho
FF to post #337 .... Shamful.
This was Majority Lynch. Nice cherry picking.
FF to post #339 .... her first time replying with a decent post, for which I responded to here #342 admitting my mistake, for which she had a deja vu to her passive aggressiveness here #343
This game is Plurality and piling on votes won’t end the day.
Well maybe I got that part wrong .. but you are still not giving town-flower vibes this game.
Moving the goal posts.

FF to post #344 ..... interesting to say the least.
Doesn’t feel like any of them is bussing Ali. Maybe Hayumi might, but he looks fine overall independently from that, so an Ali scum flip should be clearing for them.

FF to post #380 by charlie .... again, I can't quite decide whether he is good or bad, GTH good ig.
not really o: i mean i don't feel strongly about anyone rn

RN i'm cool with Ali vote. Firstly because of "slip" hime pointed out. His (?) response later on didn't change much either.

gth towns rn would be you, ratchet, hime

Other talked about people:
Relo - no strong feelings either way, missed the scummy part i think
Alexis - tbh, i can't tell wtf he is in any game

Also some vibes:
LANJI :)
Michelle :/
Yoho :/
Hayumi :)
Mango :)
FF to post #391 by Michelle, first time confronting Flower and initiating a somewhat interesting reaction between the two. here's the full showdown ... #394 , #395 , #407 , #447 , #451 , #452 , #454 , #455 , #456 , #457 , #458 ,
#459 ,
I am not interested in associative reads without any flip.
The shade is noted and you receive - 1
And you know that’s not how it works. If you think people are scum you have to check for equity. If you don’t then you have no interest in clearing people and that’s a scum trait.
Town:

Alexis, Hime, Cryo, Hayumi, Lanji, Pero, Ratchet, Mango

Scummy:

Michelle, Reloaded (more Jester than scum probably)

Scum:

Ali
I am not making a meta read with that. Logically a wolf is self aware and thinks before making a move and that's what you did imo.
Again, not scummy for me.
Pquerty is not LHF.
You seems to knock they're town.

Thanks for mafia 101.

Eh.
I don't need self meta, you know?
When you’re blatantly framing my Town play as scummy self meta is what you gonna get.
You look self aware about your meta.
Can you describe it?
I am not framing. I see you doing scummy things, I am taking about it
Michelle, where‘s your interest in solving? All you do is shade obvious Towns.

FF to post #401 by Hayumi, This pro-townish behavior of analyzing posts and reactions further making be believe Hayumi is town.
Ali’s response to Flower was pretty dramatic but oddly enough I kind of feel less inclined to vote him now despite the blatant OMGUS, at least he has reasoning ready to give
FF to post #403 by hayumi again, he catches on what hime did previously and gives a one liner ... again codos for hayumi.
I liked the point you made, that’s it lol.

FF to post #410 made by Pero, calling things out .... points for pero -> town lean. for which Flower replied in post #411 ... by her response it is evident she already decided my fate, I'm a verified scum just because I opposed her with a single vote ... speaks volumes. funny enough pero confronts her in post #412 in which she unknowingly argued with him #413 the same point I was arguing her for XD She doesn't like to hear it from others so it appears. then pero says this #414 for which flower replies by saying this #417 ... So people who played with flower can call her weak out and she would properly answer them, people who are new get's called "outted scum"
if michelle is only scummy and ali is scum then why are you voting michelle
Why can’t I vote people to put pressure on them?
apparently you got a scum right there
And that’s stopping me from getting reactions out of multiple people in a 48h day phase because…?
Why are you acting like you never played with me lol.

FF to post #464 by charlie, explaining his slip thing on me.
Not slip, "Slip". I meant this "Town role" thing. I read hime's post and realised i do the same shet as mafia o: trying to oversell things i mean

FF to post #468 made by York, where she calls flower for a similar play she made on her in another game, basically telling her that just because ali said town role doesn't auto make him scum .... flower replies to her on post #469 saying it's not the only reason why she voted me (which is a blatant lie, thankfully the forum has this thing called post # and search feature and you can scroll back and see that neither before or after her vote on me, has Flower ever provided any reasons why I'm scum, she doubled sown on me after I presented my argument of her not being her usual town, and only changed her vote, when another player, Michelle, called her out for possible scum play. which again she got called for doing so by pero ...
I remember once Flower was out for my blood for claiming "Town Protector" because I said town before my role and I said protector instead of doctor or bodyguard. After flipping exactly what I said I was I was quite vindictive in dead chat that game, and I think for like 3 games after that I would put Town in front of my claims.
Eh, that reasoning isn’t really the main reason why Ali is scummy lol. It‘s just one tell of multiple that leads to a scum read.

FF to post #470 here flower says "Kiku" whoever that is, is not aligned with me, again jujding I'm 100% scum, now even threading an imaginary network based on that baseless accusation (oh wait it's not baseless, only scum call out Flower, er correction, only NEW to the game scum call flower out)
Kiku probably not aligned with Ali from this. Looks more like an attempt to clarify things instead of a soft defense.
FF to post #494 by cryo, he is waiting for my lynch instead of actively trying to search other avenues?
I thought this was a turbo with 48 minute days and 24 minute nights :(

I’ve been waiting for the Ali flip for hours
FF to post #499 lol this actually made me laugh, here Yoho asks a question that many of us have probably asked ourselves at one point, the fun part when flower responds to him in post #500

Idk how people can have solid reads based on day 1 activity
In Arcane I had flawless reads by 1/4th of Day 1 lol.


I can go on ... but I'm honestly tired.

My Game-related conc (based on the quotes above)
Town lean (for now) -> LC, Ratchet, Hayumi, Michelle, Pero,
Scum lean -> Hime,
50/50 -> Charlie, Flower, Cryo.


As for the entire Flower situation I can only say it's really a shame, she has repeatedly be littled my posts, refused to properly answer my posts, set me to be lynched as a Final verdict without even giving it a second thought, and overall showed poor attitude and behaviour as a seasoned player.

When I was writing this post, several lines came to my mind on how she made me feel this entire game, but out of respect for Her (from the past) and for other players and the host, I will refrain to only one paragraph.

Flower, with all due respect, acting as the ALL-KNOWING queen of mafia who's every move should not be questioned or argued with is a bad experience for new players, it's ok to have ego but that stops when your ego starts hurting people who joined to have fun, Putting me on ignore? giving trivial answers to my posts? be littling my efforts? If this is who you choose to be, fine, but expect people to retaliate. in post #458 you told Michelle to stop shading "obvious town" refering to yourself I bet, Who decided that? you meta history? I don't give two shits about meta, either you play like the rest of us and respond with proper posts explaining what why and who or you can continue doing what you do and I will keep calling you out for it, You are better than this, sincerely.
Will be going to bed soon, much love.
 
from what i read, stargate pinged me too
they seem far more interested in mechanics than thread solving
believe they were talking abt how feasible it was to kill a certain role which is pretty weird

jaguark pinged me too but on a lesser note
felt as tho that one interaction between him and flower where he was asking for a read on him was pretty awkward too
feel like that awkwardness with jaguark comes from not playing mafia much
Not town clear of course but I would love to be able to observe whether that changes as the game moves on .
 
Red Night
Stargate18
Random Asshole/Worst
Polar Bear
BoaHancocksHusband/Soulkiller
York
Yo Tan Wa
Alwaysmind
Orca
Jaguar

is who i believe we need to sort through and who contains the hiding ppl

theyre the nulls who i think might have wolves

im not fully convinced the big cycle of sus between everyone is all town but just from a strategy standpoint in this gamestate it makes sense for 1-2 wolves to stir the pot and for the rest to hide
i would love to give the subs time to get a new read
like some of polar bear's reads but not much explanation or rationalization behind it .

stargate doesnt seem too keen on fighting for their slot not sure what to make of it, their last comment was "pretty much vote me if you have to I have a shit role".
alwaysmind prob needs to be solved mechanically
orca is prob fine just low activity
hmm york and yoyo
 
Alright just doing Ali first

I don't mind this opening post, it's playful and loose which gives me a townie vibe

Assume this is some sort of an inside joke/ refrence

This seems a little too defensive for the vote in question where Ratchet comments he's not impressed with his posts, saying they feel phoned in rather than genuine

I didn't read everything leading up to Flower voting Ali, but there was no mention or really much in the way of interaction with the players in question. Having a silent suspect is fine by itself, but I am wondering whether the vote by flower really warranted this hard of a pushback.

Credit where credit is due, there is a line of logic being displayed here, but I don't have the full context of the games in question, but at the very least it doesn't seem completely out of left field. That being said, the magnitude of the response over a simple vote (?) makes it quite possible that Ali was actually prepared for this to happen (which he did kinda admit) to attempt to steer the thread against Flower to deflect attention from himself

Dramatic or not, there's a clear disparity between the cases and the responses to them

Flower claiming that the pointers he made doesn't really hold merit due to her being Town in the games he reference.
I cannot verify this, but Ali did confirm this statement by not challenging them

I do like this post, you can follow his line of thinking and his conclusions of is thoughts.
What I kind of sit with is that while I find the basis of his Flower suspicion to be flawed at best he seems to be convinced personally.

He's confident in his read but not falling victim to tunnelvision, that's a plus in my book.

I think in the very least the probability of Ali and Flower being connected seems infidesimally low, currently I'm leaning towards this being a TvT. I'm not conviced that Ali is neccesarily scum despite being a bit too defensive at times, and I haven't really seen anything from flower that gives me bad vibes yet


This quote is a little bit questionable to me though, there's an argument to be made both ways with how Ali has chosen to go about this.
On one hand it's in a vaccum completely reasonable to own up to ones mistakes and get the story correct to be transparent and genuine, but on the other with the context being what it is and effectively doubling down it can also be seen as his case being disproven and that this was never really the reason for his vote/ suspicion.


All in all, there are some points that makes me lean town on him, but simultaneously there are points which gives me pause.

From what I have seen between Flower and Ali, I find it very unlikely that they will ever be on a team together, so if this is a TvS situation I am more inclined to believe Ali is the scum in the scenario.

I am slightly on this being a TvT situation, but it's quite blurry to me. I could see a world where Ali is an independent, which could explain why he seems to have made a Target for the lynch while also trying to make some contributions with his plays - and his comment of being a strong town role could also be a proof of this also
I like the fact you took time to analyse the things and I think a player self defending is not a scum trait, therefore I don't think Ali is scum for doing it.
About claiming yes, mafia would put town before their role, but so does town and I get is nothing else to consider Ali outed scum and his ulterior contribution makes me town read him.
flower is prob town

The issue with that is its her way or the high way

sometimes these things arent logical
I know she can be town. But I would like so much from her to not to that.
Red Night
Stargate18
Random Asshole/Worst
Polar Bear
BoaHancocksHusband/Soulkiller
York
Yo Tan Wa
Alwaysmind
Orca
Jaguar

is who i believe we need to sort through and who contains the hiding ppl

theyre the nulls who i think might have wolves

im not fully convinced the big cycle of sus between everyone is all town but just from a strategy standpoint in this gamestate it makes sense for 1-2 wolves to stir the pot and for the rest to hide
They can't be all wolves, hopefully they start playing more, otherwise we are just losing again regardless efforts.
My Game-related conc (based on the quotes above)
Town lean (for now) -> LC, Ratchet, Hayumi, Michelle, Pero,
Scum lean -> Hime,
50/50 -> Charlie, Flower, Cryo.
I like this as a start, personally I would add Ekko on town reads and Worst/RA at the bottom scum for now.

Mango keeps doing things that makes me think he can be town and Yoho posted something very strong towny.
 
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