Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1149 Spoilers Discussion

What is worse for the sword nation ?


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Saying “nobody believed the Quincy would lose to the Royal Guard” feels like hindsight. At the time those chapters were dropping ten years ago, especially during the weekly releases, forums like Bleach Asylum where I was a member there and others absolutely speculated that the Soul King or Zero Squad could end up as the real villains. The way Kubo built up the lore around the Soul King being a sealed, passive god-like figure, combined with the Royal Guard’s shady demeanor and quick defeat, did spark discussions that perhaps they were orchestrating things behind the scenes—or at least weren’t the pure defenders they were painted to be.

That theory didn’t come out of nowhere. Ichibei literally manipulates the concept of names and identity, which is already morally gray and further expanded on in the novel. Nimaiya’s personality and killing style were also viewed as suspiciously extreme for a “protector.” and I personally saw fans on BA forum saying these two sealed the SK themselves. Kubo left room for doubt.

Also the Dragon vs Imu comparison doesn’t quite work either. Dragon’s thing is still ongoing. The Zero Squad, by contrast, acted, fought, trained the MC, and were given god-tier status (Shutara soloing the SS for reference) for a reason: to be a measuring stick that even they couldn’t surpass Yhwach. It was never about them being weak more than it was about Yhwach transcending power hierarchies altogether.
I'm fairly certain Bleach fans weren’t thinking “The Royal Guard is here to save the day.” and were more like “Wtf is really going on?” There was real tension about whether the Royal Guard was hiding something darker, and whether Yhwach despite being extreme might be the misunderstood hero and one tearing down a broken divine order by the evil SS noble families. Kubo intentionally blurred the lines between saviors and villains.

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I'm fairly certain Bleach fans weren’t thinking “The Royal Guard is here to save the day.” and were more like “Wtf is really going on?” There was real tension about whether the Royal Guard was hiding something darker, and whether Yhwach despite being extreme might be the misunderstood hero and one tearing down a broken divine order by the evil SS noble families. Kubo intentionally blurred the lines between saviors and villains.

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Wasnt Ichibe outright stated to have a sinister ulterior motive?

and yes can confirm that the TYBW arc was a confusing mess at times
 
Wasnt Ichibe outright stated to have a sinister ulterior motive?

and yes can confirm that the TYBW arc was a confusing mess at times
Yes i believe in the novel.

And even ignoring the novel, a guy who literally names and defines all things in existence is more of a god complex waiting to implode than a “cool grandpa” role.

Kubo wanted ambiguity, he portrayed Ichibe and Zero Division as detached overpowered figures whose version of “order” might not be any more just than Yhwach’s version of “freedom.” That’s why so many fans speculated that the Soul King and 0 Squad might turn out to be the real villains because they were presented with godlike authority but no transparency.
 
Yes i believe in the novel.

And even ignoring the novel, a guy who literally names and defines all things in existence is more of a god complex waiting to implode than a “cool grandpa” role.

Kubo wanted ambiguity, he portrayed Ichibe and Zero Division as detached overpowered figures whose version of “order” might not be any more just than Yhwach’s version of “freedom.” That’s why so many fans speculated that the Soul King and 0 Squad might turn out to be the real villains because they were presented with godlike authority but no transparency.
Iirc wasn’t Soul King a villain and that’s why he was sealed and cut apart?
 
Okay but where are the Admirals and Akainu? I’m sure the WG called them for aid
Akainu spread them too thin probably. We know Kizaru is still on his way back from egghead, Sengoku and Tsuru are off seemingly to save Garp, and they even mentioned making cross guild a priority.

Disbanding the Warlord system was a really dumb idea for the marines. That’s when shit all went downhill.
 
Who do you think it is, then burning down Mariejois?
I voted other, but if i would to bet a known force, i would say BB
Dragon Already attacked mary joa indirectly through his army, freed the slaves, which was very recently. Like its to soon
Meanwhile we seen lafitte oberving mary joa and BB already crashed amazon lili, law, and kidd
BB is really what people cross guild and dragon want it to be :josad:
 
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