Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1149 Spoilers Discussion

What is worse for the sword nation ?


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Not sure Fuji is above Prime Gaban
At least they are easily comparable.

I'll say it again, there is no difference between Admirals and Yonko. All of them are at the pinnacle of strength when it comes to top tiers.

The good thing is that it's confirmed Gaban isn't just comparable to Rayleigh or Yonko based on reputation but it's also due to his own strength.
Having FS and ACoC definitely ain't a joke.
So Sanji - and the Admiral fighting him - won't be dragged down by clowns when they can no longer argue Sanji's ceiling is >= YC1.
 
I wasn't comparing Gaban's ACoC with 1010 Luffy's - my only point was that you can't judge a character's strength by their toolkit alone. Otherwise, 1010 Luffy would be even stronger than Gaban as he has ACoC, FS, ID CoA and a strong DF.

I already said I think prime Gaban was top-tier - if you ask me, I'd place him next to current Big Mom.
Sure, ok, but what we were saying is that his "toolkit" had anyway, even if hypothetically, a batter haki at the very least. Gaban also had a weapon, etc.

Anyway, I agree.
 
Yeah, but that was his unconscious, first usage.
For example, there is a debate about Zoro using in uncosciously during the Asura on Kaido since Kaido said it, anche Zoro didn't even have a sigle lightning.

And then, we have Oda being Oda: in his first Kamusari, Oda didn't draw any trails etc.

Imho, Koby is a sure bet. Not even a bet in fact.
Loby is not a conqueror

He a bitch
 
Gaban upscale is zoro and ray upscale idk why youd be sad
Because the Worstgen Zoro agenda died.
The agenda was always about separating Zoro as far as possible from Sanji to come closer to Zoro ~ Luffy and eventually Zoro > Luffy, that was the main goal. Therefore Sanji had to be an absolute fodder.

That agenda was widely successful and Waban came in and crushed that take. Now for the vast majority of people it's clear that Zoro ~ Sanji will be a thing till EOS.

Pushing Luffy ~ Zoro ~ Sanji is just further humiliation for both Luffy and Zoro but a huge W for Wanji.

Waban came in ending careers
 
Roger > Ray > Gaban > Lolden.

As if I already didn't tell people that. The hierarchy doesn't change only because Kaido's PTSD culprit joined Roger's crew at the end.
Gabum > Woden because Gabum neutralized the regeneration of YC3 tier regen merchant, while Oden almost killed Kaido?
Kaido didn't even have the chance to use hybrid nor drunken form, Woden clapped Kaido THAT FAST.
 
Because the Worstgen Zoro agenda died.
The agenda was always about separating Zoro as far as possible from Sanji to come closer to Zoro ~ Luffy and eventually Zoro > Luffy, that was the main goal. Therefore Sanji had to be an absolute fodder.

That agenda was widely successful and Waban came in and crushed that take. Now for the vast majority of people it's clear that Zoro ~ Sanji will be a thing till EOS.

Pushing Luffy ~ Zoro ~ Sanji is just further humiliation for both Luffy and Zoro but a huge W for Wanji.

Waban came in ending careers
Luffy >= Zoro >= Sanji just as it always has been.
 
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