Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1152 Spoilers Discussion

[MarineHQ]

It clears up why Zoro took so long to beat Lucci. He can’t properly activate his CoC cause he doesn’t know he has it

He needs a rage boost to do that. It makes perfect sense now why this random Sanji scene was included.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

they saw Garp treating Shiryu of the rain like a fodder and they thought Zori was ready for the top

 

[Max]

Scopper's aging?
If Oda did then it wouldn't mean much in the way of speculation would it?
We know from Lewis Arnot that travellers shouldn't stay long on Elbaf for some reason and then we get Gaban mistaking 10 years for 4 years this chapter and it ain't like it was a random topic as well, it was with regard to when his captain died so does it not make sense to be skeptical about the way time flows on Elbaf?

Maybe Gaban aging like a normal human has something to do with the place of birth, as opposed to which place he lives in. That would also explain why Giants live longer than humans even if they leave Elbaf, maybe their biological clock is forever tied to Elbaf because they were born there.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He needs a rage boost to do that. It makes perfect sense now why this random Sanji scene was included.

Oda canonizing the rival boost is insane

 

[Wizak08]

And he draws the farts clouds as well

This doesn't prove anything considering small streaks have already happened twice before Zoro even unlocked ACoC.

Oda has also only drawn lightning for Bird dance, Hahuva hunt, Rashomon

 

[OPKnK]

I mean at least zoro fans beat the asthmatic allegations, he was legit being strained by all the adCoC use

That mean we back to he can't fully control enma cause that was sucking his haki in the first place .
I got to get in a few power scale comments lol.

 

[CbShadow]

This chapter basically proves that Zoro was leaking HUGE CoC the entire time without him realising. So it's 99% confirmed Zoro used ACoC on Lucci.

Damn, all the celebration of "base Zoro low diffed Lucci", only to end up with this realisation after a few months in another arc.

This is wrong.

Zoro doesn't use CoC every single he uses enma.

Leaking CoC.

Not leaking CoC.

See the difference.

Awakening Lucci couldn't overpower or dominate base two swords Zoro.

It's not that Zoro can't control CoC. He just thinks he's using CoA when in reality he's using CoC.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

It clears up why Zoro took so long to beat Lucci. He can’t properly activate his CoC cause he doesn’t know he has it

Never made sense for Zoro to be stalling on purpose when he was clearly showing frustration and wish to end it. This is not a Hyouzou's case where Zoro was in control or a Monet's case where Zoro doesn't want to hurt his opponent.
Elbaf unironically saved Egghead writing

 

[Roo]

This doesn't prove anything considering small streaks have already happened twice before Zoro even unlocked ACoC.

Oda has also only drawn lightning for Bird dance, Hahuva hunt, Rashomon

I already showed why, Oda is reusing CoA effects for CoC

 

[Sentinel]

Didn't Gaban say that Haki is only useful if you can recognize and control it? Simply his Haki leaking doesn't mean he is weaponizing it.

That explains how Zoro was able to get ahold of Lucci after Sanji was mocking him. Bro got a temporary huge boost by rage.

However, Gaban's statement confirms that Zoro truly had no real control over his CoC, he couldn't even view it as one, neither was he able to differentiate between CoA and CoC.

Btw, do you believe Doflamingo was able to coat his attacks with CoC? Dude was knowledgable af and had awakening as well.

 

[Julius]

It clears up why Zoro took so long to beat Lucci. He can’t properly activate his CoC cause he doesn’t know he has it

Sanji calling him a liability was the catalyst

I wonder if Zoro's gonna have to do the same to Sanji at some point

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Zoro vs Lucci was a high diff. It can't be less when it lasted 20 chapters and the winner needed a rage boost to triumph.

 

[kekaro]

New avi decided till we get out of the flashback

Sanji calling him a liability was the catalyst

I wonder if Zoro's gonna have to do the same to Sanji at some point

his coc started leaking as soon as sanji shit talked him
ayo

 

[Sentinel]

This is wrong.

Zoro doesn't use CoC every single he uses enma.

Leaking CoC.

Not leaking CoC.

See the difference.

Awakening Lucci couldn't overpower or dominate base two swords Zoro.

It's not that Zoro can't control CoC. He just thinks he's using CoA when in reality he's using CoC.

And you definitely know that because of...?

Where was Gaban's huge black lightning:

 

[nik87]

ryuo was just "haki". it was never specifically associated with any color. for all we know observation is ryuo as well in wano

>There is a power that comes from the body and flows into the sword
And literally demonstrated CoA... It has never referred to CoC.
Observation is not a power that flows into the sword.

"What you call haki is known as ryou here"

Haki. Not armament haki specifically.

And he continues. Concept of flow. Which can be applied to coc too to use acoc

As I said, if it could have pulled out CoC it would have done so the first time Zoro touched it as he put no restrictions whatsoever.

If zoro satisfied emma with coa alone, it would not have gone out of control nik san...

I see we are giving emma additional powers like sentience and ability to see inside it's users...

Enma never went out of control until, and this is the crucial part that you ignore, Zoro started doubting himself.
That is what triggered Enma and it went out of control for the first time.
I am not giving Enma anything, it is a manga fact. Look it up.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji calling him a liability was the catalyst

I wonder if Zoro's gonna have to do the same to Sanji at some point

Yeah it’s going to happen lmao

 

[vikas]

idk if oda will give shanks the immortality, will open up some more plot holes

 

[Sir Yasheen]

idk if oda will give shanks the immortality, will open up some more plot holes

I doubt it. His mark isn’t like the abyss marks.

 

[Max]

That explains how Zoro was able to get ahold of Lucci after Sanji was mocking him. Bro got a temporary huge boost by rage.

However, Gaban's statement confirms that Zoro truly had no real control over his CoC, he couldn't even view it as one, neither was he able to differentiate between CoA and CoC.

Btw, do you believe Doflamingo was able to coat his attacks with CoC? Dude was knowledgable af and had awakening as well.

Luffy realized that CoC coating was a thing when he got hit by Kaido. If Doflamingo or Katakuri could do it, he would have realized it sooner.

 

[Sentinel]

It's not that Zoro can't control CoC. He just thinks he's using CoA when in reality he's using CoC.

That is an oxymoron because Zoro cannot know when he is using CoC when he cannot even differentiate between CoA and CoC. So it's completely by coincidence, like russian roulette. Either he's using CoA in one moment or CoC.

What does it say? That Zoro simply has no control over CoC - I mean, he didn't even know he had it.