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He ordered Kisame to kill Kakashi once Kakashi mentioned the Akatsuki
No, he ordered him to take him with them, and that was a weakened Kakashi.


They pulled back when Guy arrived as well.



To stay undercover, you have to be willing to even kill your own side, so no, being undercover alone doesn't explain why Itachi admitted Jiraiya was above him.
Itachi never admitted Jiraiya is above him.


And again, Itachi was on Konoha's side. He wasn't going to hand over the Jinchuriki of the most powerful tailed beast over to the Akatsuki. It's painfully clear that Itachi was aiding Konoha, and Jiraiya was the perfect excuse.



according to Kisame, they pale in comparison to Jiraiya
He said their titles pale in comparison, and named the Uchiha clan. Obviously an average Uchiha is not on Jiraiya's level, but Itachi is not an average Uchiha, and is beyond Jiraiya.





This is despite Itachi negging Orochimaru. Why? Simple, because beating an opponent with Genjutsu, doesn't inherently make you stronger. In fact, Itachi needed a special blade to seal Orochimaru away, and even that wasn't enough to get rid of him.
We don't even know if Kisame knows how Itachi beat Orochimaru.

Orochimaru literally says Itachi is stronger than him



That's what it looks like when a characters expresses inferiority to another character in strength. Not like what you imagined occurred with Jiraiya.



Let's make this really simple.


Since you somehow believe Jiraiya beats Itachi, and Itachi and Kisame (lol), does he also beat the entire Akatsuki? Itachi says that backup would be futile in the battle.
 
Even if they were both going all out you realize that Luffy blatantly lost that first round.

Like if the feeding scene weren’t subtle Oda would probably have Luffy fans outside his house trying to kill him
That's not really Oda's fault then lol
Anyone with a brain can tell he only kept Luffy down for plot there
If he were consistent with it then he'd have let Luffy get back up immediately
Doing so would ruin Saturn's entrance, though, so he had to stay down.
 
That's not really Oda's fault then lol
Anyone with a brain can tell he only kept Luffy down for plot there
If he were consistent with it then he'd have let Luffy get back up immediately
Doing so would ruin Saturn's entrance, though, so he had to stay down.
This is pure narrative speculation. Not saying it’s wrong, but even with the most generous interpretation here that fight makes Luffy looks really bad
 
No, he ordered him to take him with them, and that was a weakened Kakashi.


They pulled back when Guy arrived as well.




Itachi never admitted Jiraiya is above him.


And again, Itachi was on Konoha's side. He wasn't going to hand over the Jinchuriki of the most powerful tailed beast over to the Akatsuki. It's painfully clear that Itachi was aiding Konoha, and Jiraiya was the perfect excuse.




He said their titles pale in comparison, and named the Uchiha clan. Obviously an average Uchiha is not on Jiraiya's level, but Itachi is not an average Uchiha, and is beyond Jiraiya.






We don't even know if Kisame knows how Itachi beat Orochimaru.

Orochimaru literally says Itachi is stronger than him



That's what it looks like when a characters expresses inferiority to another character in strength. Not like what you imagined occurred with Jiraiya.



Let's make this really simple.


Since you somehow believe Jiraiya beats Itachi, and Itachi and Kisame (lol), does he also beat the entire Akatsuki? Itachi says that backup would be futile in the battle.
Why would it matter if he was weakened or not? Kakashi was still a leaf ninja, what matters is the intent, and they were willing to kill leaf ninja for the mission. He left once Gai came to avoid causing a larger situation(notice how he never hyped Gai or Kakashi as above him, because they're not)

Itachi and Kisame are basically the average Uchiha and seven swordsman of the mist, since the others are all dead, with Kisame not knowing about Sasuke at that point in time.
Kisame should know about Orocohimarus and Itachis situation, we know the Akatsuki had a meeting about it

And Kisame was in the Akatsuki before even Itachi. And wrt Orochimarus statement,why are we ignoring the context of him having lost his arms?
And no, literally the entire Akatsuki would beat Jiraiya obviously, but mobilizing the entire Akatsuki could only be done by Pain or Obito, and even then it wouldn't be easy
 
I mean are they really

We have no way of scaling them currently

“vastly” is kinda crazy lol
They are. Let’s look at how oda hypes these characters:
1. Base mode has 1.8 billion berries, vastly above any of Zoro and Sanjis opponents so far.
2. Last chapters called the greatest fear of all people 100 years ago
3. Were able to fight the Gorosei last chapter which are above the common HKs
4. Meanwhile Sommers was literally low diffed by Gaban

It’s really clear which duo oda has chosen to hype more.
 
This is pure narrative speculation. Not saying it’s wrong, but even with the most generous interpretation here that fight makes Luffy looks really bad
How so?
We actually saw Luffy get up back up and use G5 again in Wano, and he was more exhausted and hurt there than he was against Kizaru
Plus he also wasn't glued to the floor against Lucci or the Gorosei
That thing only happened with Kizaru specifically because the plot needed him to stay down or he'd have killed the vibe that Saturn's entrance was setting up
 
How so?
We actually saw Luffy get up back up and use G5 again in Wano, and he was more exhausted and hurt there than he was against Kizaru
Plus he also wasn't glued to the floor against Lucci or the Gorosei
That thing only happened with Kizaru specifically because the plot needed him to stay down or he'd have killed the vibe that Saturn's entrance was setting up
He was also significantly more full having just eaten weeks worth of food while Luffy just had a normal meal
 
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