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Wouldn’t make sense imo

Young sakazuki looked like a poor orphan, not the son of an esteemed marine.

more likely Shiki or some other evil pirate murdered his family
This is your only ever W

but tbh, I am feeling nervous about the theory. Rocks died when Teach was 1 years old, and the admiral died when Sakazuki was 1 years old. Hopefully Linyagi posting about it will curse it, and if it ever makes it to Lorj, we know it´s not happening
 
Either Shiryu becomes stronger than Mihawk after Mihawk loses/dies to Zoro or he's just got abilities that make it so Zoro can beat him but still lose or tie with Primebeard (since matchups do in fact matter in this verse, hence why Kuzan loses to Big Mom but not Kizaru)
Shoulda clarified I mean Kuzan loses to Big Mom but Kizaru doesn't lose to Big Mom
But Kizaru and Kuzan would stalemate eachother
 
Shiki did basically the same thing but doesn't get enough credit and Shiki was weaker than Wb, Roger and Kaidou.

Shiki vs Garp & Sengoku
Rocks vs Garp & Roger
Kaidou vs The biggest and strongest gauntlet in the Op.
Tbh nothing implied to me that Shiki had any chance in that 2v1, while it seemed Roger and Garp vs Rocks was a legendary and very difficult fight.

I also think Roger and Garp are a slightly more powerful duo.
 
Aokiji: ''we can't have Koby escaping while Teach isn't around''

He clearly says he is fighting them for his captain. Not comparable to WB-Kaido or BM who follow their own agenda.
Again I said that Whatever he’s doing is for his agenda… For whatever reason he is supporting Teach’s plan to become a king… He was the one advising teacher about Koby being part of Sword and therefore not being a good enough hostage to blackmail the WG… He seemingly captured Garp so that Teach could have a good hostage to carry out his plan

So yes, some part of Teach’s plan fits whatever it is Kuzan wants… so Kuzan does whatever to ensure Teach’s plan occurs… But the point remains, Kuzan is specifically helping Teach because it fits whatever he already wants… Kuzan isn’t sacrificing anything here… he already wants this to happen for some reason

Therefore the question is, what happens when what Kuzan wants is no longer in line with what Teach wants… Maybe you think this will never happen, that somehow everything Teach wants will be exactly what Kuzan wants… I doubt it
 
you dont have to beat fodder to prove you are stronger than them
He was fighting the second strongest person in the crew and he still lost by group effort.



This is going in circles if you think shiryu and pizzaro have the kind of potential to rival luffy we can end this conversation now
because at that point I can confirm the sort of delusion am dealing with.
I don´t actually think they will surpass rocks but.....
They did better vs Garp then Ling and Queen did against Aramaki lmfao
 
I don´t actually think they will surpass rocks but.....
They did better vs Garp then Ling and Queen did against Aramaki lmfao
Thats not what am arguing about though
glad we agree.
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Shiki did basically the same thing but doesn't get enough credit and Shiki was weaker than Wb, Roger and Kaidou.

Shiki vs Garp & Sengoku
Rocks vs Garp & Roger
Kaidou vs The biggest and strongest gauntlet in the Op.
strong feeling one is not like the other
and shiki genuinely got his ass handed to him and thrown in prison
while rocks and kaido effectively had to be beaten to death for any victory to be had.
 
Thats not what am arguing about though
glad we agree.
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strong feeling one is not like the other
and shiki genuinely got his ass handed to him and thrown in prison
while rocks and kaido effectively had to be beaten to death for any victory to be had.
Shiki going to MF felt like a suicide attempt.

Rocks vs Garp and Roger felt like a fight that could go either way.
 
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